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GG Osborne





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PostPosted: Tue 22 Feb, 2011 7:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The engraved pistol shown above is from NV Siligar in India, I have two of them I ordered custom with brass barrels. They can do blued, silver, etc. I would advise caution however as this was the company I referred to in an earlier post that didn't deliver on the two dags I ordered and I have yet to get my money back. Besides, I had a lot of customization to do on the pistols after I got them, replacing triggers, touch hole pick, cocks, etc. I also heated up the rams horms and cut out the excess metal and rolled the horns in for a tighter curl.
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Feb, 2011 7:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Oh, engraving the barrel for a firearm that might actually be fired might be a problem if the engraving weakens the barrel wall at some critical point causing catastrophic failure. ( Just mentioning it for other DIY projects in general as a safety issue ).
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb, 2011 4:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jean Thibodeau wrote:
Oh, engraving the barrel for a firearm that might actually be fired might be a problem if the engraving weakens the barrel wall at some critical point causing catastrophic failure. ( Just mentioning it for other DIY projects in general as a safety issue ).


The barrel walls on these pistols are pretty thick so unless the engraving is very deep I don't think the integrity of the barrel will be affected. However, as I mentioned earlier, I am hesitant to fire mine because it has not been proofed.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb, 2011 5:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Oh, engraving the barrel for a firearm that might actually be fired might be a problem if the engraving weakens the barrel wall at some critical point causing catastrophic failure. ( Just mentioning it for other DIY projects in general as a safety issue ).

Ah, this makes me think about an alternative : what about chemical etching instead of "mechanical" etching ?

See here an example on a knife blade, achieved with a 9V battery and salt water, and nail varnish as a resistive :
http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthrea...de-etching

Or here on a sword blade with vinegar + a bit of fish tank acidifier, and candle wax as a resistive :
http://sbgswordforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?...amp;page=1

Another thing I have been meaning to try... I should really get to it.
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb, 2011 5:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

link to: http://www.nvsikligar.com/
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb, 2011 5:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

also here: http://www.damascusarms.com/

maybe they would make a proper scottish one if we had enough interest...

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb, 2011 7:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Lin Robinson wrote:
Jean Thibodeau wrote:
Oh, engraving the barrel for a firearm that might actually be fired might be a problem if the engraving weakens the barrel wall at some critical point causing catastrophic failure. ( Just mentioning it for other DIY projects in general as a safety issue ).


The barrel walls on these pistols are pretty thick so unless the engraving is very deep I don't think the integrity of the barrel will be affected. However, as I mentioned earlier, I am hesitant to fire mine because it has not been proofed.


Basically what I meant, and with a barrel that was properly proofed before engraving, it should probably be proofed again after engraving and even more if it was a DIY engraving.

In all probability a gun barrel made very thick walled with a high margin of safety ( seriously railroad engineered ) would probably still be safe if the engraving was reasonable in depth but I wonder about all the sharp corners producing stress risers ?

Just saying be prudent with one intended for actual shooting if engraving is on the barrel or chamber but engraving the side plates and or the stock wouldn't be a problem.

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Feb, 2011 2:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Love the postings on engraving via chemical reactions, I'm very tempted! I have no need to worry about weaking anything as my one is non-firing, our glorious UK government makes it very difficult to own a kitchen knife let along a device that propels an object at a rate of knots.... Eek! Razz Wink
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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb, 2011 1:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Came across this:

http://www.netlinkenterprises.com/proddetail.php?prod=1246

This looks a bit better than the derbyshire Arms one?

and this:

http://ruralblacksmith.blogspot.com/2010/09/s...art-v.html

and this:

http://www.hill-interiors.com/search_results....hbrand.y=7

and this:

http://www.home-works.tv/gift-search.asp

and this;

http://www.middlesexvillagetrading.com/NEWscotmurdoch.shtml

all seem to be identical or variations of Doune pistol?

and this!!!:

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/lot_detail...ID=1901359

Most are the same but any which could be deemed acceptale to pre 1746?

cheers Mike

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb, 2011 2:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mike W Grant wrote:
Came across this:

http://www.netlinkenterprises.com/proddetail.php?prod=1246

This looks a bit better than the derbyshire Arms one?

http://www.hill-interiors.com/search_results....hbrand.y=7



UHGG!!!! NOOOO!!!! That's the Denix version. It's made of pot metal, and it cannot be made -- and should not even be attempted to be made -- to fire anything EVER. It's for wallhanging only. And it's actually pretty ugly close up.

The Middlesex Arms one is the same Murdoch reproduction that's been in discussion.

On the other hand the Christie's Auction ones seem to be the real deal.....

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb, 2011 3:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The Denix pistol, as David pointed out, is cast from pot metal and is strictly for display. It was discontinued about nine years ago but some retailers still have them on hand. That should answer any questions you may have about their popularity!

The only currently made shootable (possibly) repro of a Doune pistol is the Indian-made Murdoch. I am referring here to those which are mass-produced as opposed to custom made ala the "Rural Blacksmith" blog. I just glanced at that but will go back and review it again as it looked interesting. That one, based on my cursory examination, has been a four year project so far.

The best bet for you is the pistol kit offered by The Rifle Shoppe. The problem you may have, should you have one built, is getting through it customs and into your hands.

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Mar, 2011 2:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

For those of you who are interested in the firearms imported from India, like the Murdoch pistol we discussed here, I suggest you obtain a copy of the May, 2011 issue of Guns Magazine. In it is an article about the death of Admiral Nelson at Trafalgar. Nelson was shot by a French marksman in the tops of the Redoutable. The reason this is interesting to us is the description of two modern replicas of the muskets used at the battle. The French Marine Musket was from Pedersoli and needed only some minor modifications for authenticity's sake and no tuning to be a good shooter out of the box. The British counterpart, a pattern 1778 Sea Service Musket, made in India, required some extensive work in order to shoot and shooting well consistently was not an option. Aside from drilling the touchhole, the stock required work, including glass bedding in the area of the tang because of very soft wood in that area. The finishing work on the metal required a lot of file work to remove the waves. According to the author the lock was the major problem, requiring the frizzen face to be rehardened after polishing and the tumbler axle had to be replaced and the bridle refitted. The bore was quite rough which caused more fouling than usual.

This is not an indictment of these arms at all. It is just evidence that they are, primarily, interesting pieces which should not be considered in the same category with those made by Pedersoli and other manufacturers who are producing guns for shooting. These guns can be fired but only after considerable work by the owner and will never produce the consistent accuracy that one might want.

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