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William F Cain III




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PostPosted: Sat 04 Dec, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

How about the Atrim custom longsword/Practical longsword?

Which is that one, a XIIa or a XIIIa? And also, why?

Sorry, I'm trying to learn the typology, and that one seems to straddle the line to me.

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Tom Kinder





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PostPosted: Sat 04 Dec, 2010 10:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

William F Cain III wrote:
How about the Atrim custom longsword/Practical longsword?

Which is that one, a XIIa or a XIIIa? And also, why?

Sorry, I'm trying to learn the typology, and that one seems to straddle the line to me.


which one you mean William? the one Gus designed for Valiant Armory or a different one of his?

the VA 304 is a type XIIa I'm pretty sure as the 303 is a XII. the 303 is modeled after the AT1315 but I can't remember which one was the design for the 304. I'm sure someone here knows, or Gus will see this post and mention it next time we talk. I'll mention it here if I figure it out, I know the info is out there I just can't remember it right now.
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Glen A Cleeton




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PostPosted: Sun 05 Dec, 2010 8:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is the small gallery I had attached at SFI. Many are simply drawn from the the old Direct site via Archive.org. Those have some spec information sort of coded into the pictures but for the specifications for the past, it really makes sense for the interested to do some legwork on the old sites. The Don Nelson handling rating can be found on the Hemmingway All Saints Blades pages. Don Nelson's rating formula has been discussed on the various boards.

http://www.swordforum.com/forums/album.php?albumid=5


The "Don Nelson" effect
Angus Trim
http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18873

Don's QuADSHaP
Don Nelson
http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6821

Also as mentioned earlier in the thread, simply following Gus during his tenure at SFI is going to bring up a lot of goodies some may enjoy. Things like the tactical swprd developments and shots pf blades still in the web of cnc grinding stock. A nice batch of pictures of a Satsuma katana and iirc, a Little Tigress or two. Plug Angus Trim and katana (or a model number, nickname) into the advanced search there for quite a few pictorial opportunities

Cheers

GC
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William F Cain III




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PostPosted: Sun 05 Dec, 2010 11:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yeah, the Valiant Armory model.
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Zach Luna




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PostPosted: Sun 05 Dec, 2010 6:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's my "Venetian Bastard Sword," built on a 1432 blade by Angus Trim.

The 1432 is an hand-and-a-half XVIII subtype-- what looks like a type XVIIIa to my eyes. Christian Fletcher's website lists it as a XVIIIb however, and it used to be listed as an XVIIIc. WTF?!
Anyway, this is what it looks like:



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Roger Hooper




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PostPosted: Sun 05 Dec, 2010 11:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Some Leafblades -

AT2104 - OL - 28.75 in. BL- 22.5 in., 2lbs - I've got this sword

AT2103 - I don't have any specs, but I think the blade is somewhere around 28 inches

AT2105 - the "Big Leafie" - OL - 43.5 in. BL- 32.5 in. 3lbs. 2oz.

You will seldom see these swords in the Classifieds. Once someone gets one, they keep it.



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Harry Marinakis




PostPosted: Tue 10 Jun, 2014 3:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Any idea which one this is? Looks like a XIIIb blade to me.

Looking here, I don't find it:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040625084754/www...Models.htm

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Glen A Cleeton




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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jun, 2014 5:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Harry Marinakis wrote:
Any idea which one this is? Looks like a XIIIb blade to me.

Looking here, I don't find it:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040625084754/www...Models.htm



Looks like this one

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=30329

Cheers

GC
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Harry Marinakis




PostPosted: Tue 10 Jun, 2014 8:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Glen A Cleeton wrote:
Looks like this one

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=30329

Cheers

GC


A real comedian, eh?

How about someone with a real answer?
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Glen A Cleeton




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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jun, 2014 10:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Harry Marinakis wrote:
Glen A Cleeton wrote:
Looks like this one

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=30329

Cheers

GC


A real comedian, eh?

How about someone with a real answer?

If you follow the link I posted, you will see as real an answer as possible. I believe the photo you show is Ken Jay's 1429 (now off to someone else).

A joke might be how many hours I have actually spent in continuing to archive Gus Trim swords.

Cheers

GC

In further jocularly fashion, an earlier 1429 from my own archive (which was mentioned earlier in the thread) Happy
http://www.swordforum.com/forums/album.php?albumid=5



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Tom Kinder





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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jun, 2014 10:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I don't think so Glen 1429 has a longer fuller than that one appears to have.

the hilt is exactly the same for sure but Gus' swords have often gone through "phases" of having very similar hilts.
I'll point this thread out to Gus and give him a call tomorrow to see what he says, I was going to talk to him soon anyway.

EDIT: the more I look at it the more I am convinced that this sword is the sword sold by Ken Jay. I'm still not thinking it is a 1429 unless it is a different 1429 than the type XVI that is more common


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Harry Marinakis




PostPosted: Tue 10 Jun, 2014 10:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The sword to which I refer is a single-handed arming sword with a spatulate tip and short fuller - i.e., a type XIIIb.

The classfied refers to this sword as an ATrim 1429 - but the ATrim 1429 is a type XVI with a more pointed tip, like the 1429 that Glen shows us. Also note that the type XVI has a diamond cross-section, in contrast to the hex or more lenticular XS of the XIIIb.

A review of the All Saints archive fails to reveal a match. The old Gus XIIIb.1 is also not a match.

It seems clear that the sword is a XIIIb, but I cannot figure out how it fits into Gus' typology.

Tom, if you can find out from Gus, I would be most grateful.
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Glen A Cleeton




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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jun, 2014 11:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ok., sure the 1429 is a XVI.

Here is a XIIIb Tom sold


http://www.sword-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&...p;start=10

Looks like a lot less profile taper than Ken's sword.

The Redeemer sword from Christian (supposedly a 1429 blade) looked to have even more profile taper and indeed was billed as a XVI.

Cheers

GC
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Tom Kinder





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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun, 2014 12:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

well the trick with the old number system is that occasionally there were two (or more) different swords with the same number. so this might have legitimately been called a 1429 but be a type XIIIb instead of the XVI that was more commonly known. Gus has made a lot of one and two off swords and even more of very small batches.

of XIIIb there are two distinct types in Records, one type is a narrow hexagonal style as seen in the more recent model XIIIb.1 above and the other type is a broad lenticular style that the sword in question could be an interpretation of from before Gus really did lenticular geometry much. Real lenticular surfaces are a pretty new thing from Gus, they used to be either hex or diamond-ish.

I am getting rather curious now. it almost looks like it could be a single fuller relation to the Moonbrand model Gus did, not sure about that.


hmmm I wonder what Gus can tell me

I think you are right about that being Ken Jay's sword Glen. I should know better than to doubt your eye
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun, 2014 6:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Google at1431 and there will be a picture of the 1431 on a site listed as phemas equipment. The sword I listed as the 1429 (I thought) should methinks be a 1431. Yes, it's the single fullered version of the moon brand 1404. I always considered these to be XIIIb swords rather than XIV types. Gus' numbering can be interesting.
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun, 2014 9:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

From the old ATrim Direct pages, an older 1431 Wink And yes, my notes from that site did list the 1431 as a XIV but my cryptograph might have transposed something

1431xiv385314529

http://www.swordforum.com/forums/album.php?al...ntid=98380



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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun, 2014 10:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ok just spoke to Gus. He says it is a sword that he only made two of. they were precursors and related to his Moonbrand model.

he does not remember what the number designation was for it but says if Ken Jay calls it a 1431 then that is what it is.

as to it being a XIIIb, Gus says it could definitely be called that but Moonbrand was classified as a XIV. He has always felt there could be an argument made that the original Moonbrand is more of a type XIIIb too, so call it a XIIIb or a XIV like Moonbrand. in truth it is probably neither, but close enough.
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Harry Marinakis




PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun, 2014 3:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you everyone.
I thought XIVs were more acutely pointed, but the Moonbrand in records changes that for me.

I found this review of the Moonbrand:
http://www.myArmoury.com/review_at_moon.html
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jun, 2014 8:02 am    Post subject: Love Atrim         Reply with quote

hey guys,

Just a few oldies. Atrim may noy be the best maker out there but he is sure my fav.



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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jun, 2014 9:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is the MS1401 Cresset, a Type XIX from Gus's stint with the SFI Museum Store. I think the grip is made from Bubinga


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