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Blaz Berlec




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PostPosted: Fri 26 Nov, 2010 7:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sorry for the inaccessibility of images for the past two days. Exceeded 10GB of bandwidth limit. I have Pro account now, without limit. But it wasn't Milanese and German Gothic armour's fault, these files have only about 1000 views per month each. Another list that I made has more than 10 times as much:



http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=60293

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Adam, I have no idea what's up with armour from Grandson castle. Here's another photo:

http://image10.webshots.com/11/6/63/13/133466313cPwxOr_fs.jpg

I don't know much about 16th century armour, so I have no idea where those shoulder and arm defences come from. I also don't know if the armour is original or reproduction, it isn't mentioned in any publication I have read.


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PostPosted: Fri 26 Nov, 2010 2:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hey Blaz,

Great thread, just like the Milanese one!

Quick question; Maybe i'm not looking hard enough and i'm tired but I would place the Granson's armour in the 2nd half / late 15th century not 16th? Apart from that strange arm anomaly that is. I was wondering about that bit - getting curious now.
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Nov, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Those don't look like any spaulders I have seen on 15th century armour. I am going to assume they are a later reproduction.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov, 2010 7:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Apart from the spaulders, look at these arms in Philadelphia museum of art:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoog/4453047894...296466881/

Same closed system on the arms and dated 1450-1510 (?)
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov, 2010 10:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Does anyone know of any surviving 15th century armours from Koln? I know it was a pretty huge armour production centre in the 15th century but I don't know of any surviving pieces. In particular, I wonder about it's style -- if it was more like the gothic armours of the Southern and Central Holy Roman Empire or more like the armours of the low countries.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov, 2010 11:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here are some different (hopefully better) views of some of the harnesses shown already in this thread.


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1480-1490 - Wien, Austria, Wien Museum Karlsplatz, inv.no 127.010, by Lorenz Helmschmied

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1470 (horse armour ca. 1480-1490) Berlin, Germany, Deutsches Historisches Museum, W. 1052, equestrian field armour, Landshut

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Dec, 2010 2:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi, The armour in Varna, Bulgaria is a late reproduction - from the mid 20th century. Pretty bad one also.
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Jan, 2011 8:10 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello, I am new to this forum and want to bring some info on some of the gothic armours pictured.

The 3rd one "no info" was sold at Fischer, Luzern Switzerland in september 2008 and the one from Grandson castle
was also sold at Fischer's in dec. 1965 and again in oct. 1998.

It was sold as a copy made circa 1830-40 and was based on an armour in Vienna.

will find out later if you are interested.

Lest hope this reply gets to to the post wanted, I already apologize if I got messed up

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Jan, 2011 7:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Blaz Berlec wrote:
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I think even for a modern military force there would be a chilling split-second of panic when this silhouette appeared on the horizon, charging at them madly without much time for preparation. Just imagine how terrifying to be a mass of light infantry tasked with repelling this when it was still mysterious, cutting-edge technology.
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jun, 2012 9:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Anybody knows anything about this armour? I found the picture in a gallery of some Ukrainian armour maker, as a source photo... What do you think, reproduction?



There are some similarities between it and this armour, I think:

1470 Leeds, UK, Royal Armouries, II.168, composite armour "alla tedesca", breastplate formerly in Churburg, Milano and Brescia


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jun, 2012 2:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Absolutely beautiful photos of great examples of armor in full glory. Very informative.

What a treat! What a thread!

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jun, 2012 11:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Blaz, your unidentified armour was auctioned off by Hermann Historica about a decade ago. It was very composite and heavily restored.
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Jun, 2012 2:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You know, I actually thought that picture looks just like the ones from Hermann Historica site. Thank you.

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun, 2012 9:58 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

this is a great thread, i am a HUGE fan of the gothic armour above all other styles,


but just so i understand missaglia isnt so much an armour style but merely a place armour was made in italy which was known for good quality armour

(for those who haven't played it, assassins creed 2 allows you use progressively better quality armour, the second best Armour is an amour called missaglias armour
http://envydream.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/assa...armor.html is not your typical dawn of the 16th century Armour.. (its not even realistic)
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Brutes and these are the typical 'knights' of the game,
one thing they got ight about italian armours is the assymetric look though the sallet and bevor seem wrong for italian amours

however it gets worse in assins creed brotherhood
yes the city guards of Rome apparently wore frog-mouth helms during the era of Rodrigo borgia.../sarcasm....
oh and these are the papal guards <.<.... http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Papal_Guard
i can see where hey got the idea since the uniforms and armour of the swiss guards is more or ess the same as it has been since the early 16th century.
but i wasnt aware of the morion becoming a popular helmet type until at least the 1540's
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun, 2012 5:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

William P wrote:
but just so i understand missaglia isnt so much an armour style but merely a place armour was made in italy which was known for good quality armour


As far as I recall, the Missaglias were a family that owned an armour-making business in Milan.

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jun, 2012 9:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad is right - the Missaglias were a Milanese family renowned for the quality of the armour that they made.
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PostPosted: Fri 07 Jul, 2017 8:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Damn the Photobucket, all of a sudden they want 400$ annually if you want to use the uploaded images to show externally.

Of course, this thread (and many others) is useless without photos - I will try to upload them elsewhere and edit the original posts.


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PostPosted: Fri 07 Jul, 2017 4:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks!

Yes, photobucket turned into an image ransom site a couple years back, and it never was that good to begin with.
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Is THAT what's going on with pics? To hell with 'photo-bucket' then. I thought for a while something was wrong with my account. Pirates. Mad Hate freakin' pirates! Mad .....McM
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PostPosted: Sat 08 Jul, 2017 4:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You know what really ruins topics? Filling them up with posts that complain about Photobucket.

Instead, let's take action to fix them. I fixed this and Blaz's other Spotlight Topics by downloading Blaz's hosted images and uploading them to myArmoury.com. I then edited the links in the posts to point to the newly hosted images. Now we have in-tact, working and valuable Spotlight Topics just like we did before.

For topics like this that are really image-intensive, members who have used Photobucket simply need to find a new place to host their images and then contact me to update the links in their posts. As long as the filenames have not been changed, I can simply search-replace the location of the hosted files to the new location and it will work.

For image intensive topics and valuable resources such as Spotlight Topics, I can also offer to upload to them to the myArmoury.com servers as well for a permanent location.

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