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Connor Lynch





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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jul, 2010 5:19 pm    Post subject: Carolingian helmets         Reply with quote

I am confused on if the Franks wore the spangenhelm during the carolingian dynasty or some other helmet that i do not know the name to here is the spangenhelm and here is the other helmet
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jul, 2010 5:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The spangenhelm seems to have had a very long period of being in use in various forms. The painting shows an interpretation of a Carolingian helm but I think it is based on rather crude period artwork and a lot of it guesswork ? ( Could be wrong but I don't think there is a single one one could find in a museum today except as maybe a fragment ).

The Carolingian helm is often interpreted as some form of kettle hat and has a family resemblance to the much later morion, or at least that what they remind me of.

I think I read somewhere ( sorry no precise source I remember ) that the spangenhelm was related or evolved from some late Roman helms that where influenced by the helms of the barbarian mercenaries often used by the Romans as auxiliary troops.

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jul, 2010 9:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In fact various forms of spangenhelm are already present on the base Trajan's column in Rome. On the base of the column there is a display of trophies captured from the barbarian enemies of Rome after Trajan's war s with the dacians and their allies. So the spangenhelm was a "barbarian" invention and romans copied it later in their cheap, mass production version of equipment.
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