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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jan, 2010 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Best Viking Swords         Reply with quote

William R. Short wrote:
David Huggins wrote:
3.5 pounds is not an unusual weight for a viking age sword.


Begging your pardon, but I would respectfully disagree. That's a lot, and more than typical for historical Viking-age swords, or at least among the ones I've investigated. Most were in the 1+ kg range (2.2-2.5 pounds). Only one was close to this heavy -- an ungainly 1.9kg specimen that was nearly useless as a weapon.

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William Short


If memory serves, there was a 2.7 kg sword from that period uncovered in Eura, Finalnd. It is, supposedly a votive offering though so probably never seen actual use.
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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jan, 2010 4:25 pm    Post subject: Viking sword         Reply with quote

Jonathan, I too have handled the Patrick Barta sword that my colleague Dave Huggins mentioned, Namely our fellow colleague and myArmoury forumite Paul Mortimer's Sutton Hoo replica. Firstly, in my opinion it is not as heavy as the 3.5 pounds cited by Dave for his viking (blunt) combat sword, which IS on the heavier end of the scale for a Viking sword, Bearing in mind Dave is about 6' 4" - 6' 5" tall, so, relatively wieldy in his hands.So given this, I feel that for an Average weight ,6 foot tall chap, the Blade on Paul's Barta sword is both balanced and wieldy, taking into consideration the fact that the upper guard is a 'sandwich' construction and the pommel is not solid and has Cloisonne garnet inlay, the Upper hilt provides relatively little counterbalance to the blade, in comparison to the average viking upper guard/pommel assembly or full pommel. Which would lead one to the conclusion that a Barta Viking sword with essentially the same blade as a late migration period one, would be balanced slightly more towards the pommel, but still have enough impetus and weight to do the job a Viking sword was intended to do.

Just to echo what somebody said earlier, it is a case of striking the balance between cost, waiting list and quality. i personally like the Barta swords, if a little out of my price range, but those of Markus Balbach of Germany seem to be very well made, if indeed you want a Pattern welded blade. I do agree with the earlier comment that whilst Jake Powning's swords are beautiful and well made they do tend to stray slightly into the realm of fantasy in terms of their design. So really what is BEST, its the how long is a piece of string question, I feel. Good luck, please be sure to let us all know what you end up choosing.

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jan, 2010 6:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There is a sword weighing over 4 lbs in the Pierce book (don't have it with me, so I can't remember where it is exactly, but it's in there). Certainly this is the rare exception, and Pierce notes that this sword handles rather poorly, but there it is.

The ancients did turn out a dud now and then. The trick is to recreate the good ones!

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Feb, 2010 12:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

William R. Short wrote:
I'd like to add my recommendation for the work of Jeff Pringle. Jeff is both a meticulous researcher and an exquisitely competent bladesmith.

You can see some examples of his work on the Hurstwic site. There are pictures of two of his Viking sword reproductions in the sword article, and a sax replica in the sax article.

My book Viking Weapons and Combat Techniques has additional images of these reproductions. In addition, it has a series of photographs of one of Jeff's pattern-welded blades in progress, showing the various stages of making a pattern-welded blade.

Jeff has done some fabulous research on the techniques used for hilt inlay in the Viking age, and gave a presentation on his research at Higgins Armory Museum about a year ago. A summary of his work is on the Hurstwic site, in an article about inlay. There are a couple of images of some of Jeff's inlay work in progress, and some finished work.

His work is incredible.



Hi William, could you please tell me how to contact Mr. Pringle for a quote?

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Feb, 2010 12:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Stephen Curtin wrote:
William R. Short wrote:
I'd like to add my recommendation for the work of Jeff Pringle. Jeff is both a meticulous researcher and an exquisitely competent bladesmith.

Hi William, could you please tell me how to contact Mr. Pringle for a quote?

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Feb, 2010 11:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jonathan M. Ringlein wrote:
Also, the handles look a bit long for viking era swords, or is it just the photo? Thanks again to all who posted who've helped me with this, I appreciate all the good points made.


Patrick Barta told me that he usually increases the length of the handles by ten percent to match modern men's hand size.

Oh, and BTW , I just discovered this maker from Slovakia:
http://www.robert-moc.sk/pages/sk/robert-moc/...hp?lang=SK
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PostPosted: Tue 02 Feb, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Best Viking sword?         Reply with quote

I've just watched a video about test-cutting with a Viking sword from Cold Steel.
Its blade is quite effective when slashing ropes, meat, bamboo etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS3Tkij372I

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Feb, 2010 11:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello,
Those videos are published by ColdSteel as adds. They show absolutely nothing except that a sharpened piece of metal can cut. ColdSteel makes some decent knives, but the examples of their swords I have seen are absolute crap. The Viking sword in question doesn't resemble any historical Viking sword.
Concerning Patrick Barta hilts. I don't see why he increases the grip length at all, "modern man's" hands are not really any bigger than those of our predecessors. An overly large grip only detracts from the accuracy of the sword, and makes it more difficult to attempt to figure out proper form/technique. That said, Barta's swords are really quite lovely.
One thing often not noted about Paul Binn's swords is the level of accuracy he can achieve. Personally I don't particularly like his hilts, they seem...chunky. His blades on the other hand are marvelous. On some pieces he has been using antique bloomery iron; I have a few custom blades by him made with it.
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Feb, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hadrian Coffin wrote:
Hello,

Concerning Patrick Barta hilts. I don't see why he increases the grip length at all, "modern man's" hands are not really any bigger than those of our predecessors. An overly large grip only detracts from the accuracy of the sword, and makes it more difficult to attempt to figure out proper form/technique.
Hadrian


Well unfortunately I had some computer issues and don't have Barta's message anymore. In fact he wrote that he usually increased every measurement of an original sword by 10% in order to have a longer grip. So proportions are unchanged.

When receiving an anglo-saxon sword made by Armour Class I was disappointed that the grip was too long (11.5cm) and when I wrote about it Iain answered that they were "fed up by people complaining about grips being too short for their hands" And I shortened the grip myself to 9cm.



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PostPosted: Thu 04 Feb, 2010 6:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jean,

I admire your work on shortening the grip. You were able to maintain the aesthetics of the grip, while improving upon the overall aesthetics of the weapon (IMO). How did the change in grip length affect the handling of the weapon? Did you see an improvement?

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Feb, 2010 2:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Scott Hrouda wrote:
Jean,

I admire your work on shortening the grip. You were able to maintain the aesthetics of the grip, while improving upon the overall aesthetics of the weapon (IMO). How did the change in grip length affect the handling of the weapon? Did you see an improvement?


Hi Scott,
Thank you ! I didn't notice any change in the handling of the sword. Anyway the blade is by no way historical for the period and being very light the handling is very easy. But I would say that the sword is lacking blade presence.
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