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Artis Aboltins
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 Posted: Tue 13 Oct, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: Weapons from the collection of Kuresaare museum (Estonia) |
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First a few weapons of Late Iron Age (so untill mid 13th century)
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Double edged sword, judging from the decoration of the guard and pommel - made in Kurzeme (Kurland) [ Download ]
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More detailed look at the guard/pommel of the same sword, point and scabbard decor of diferent sword [ Download ]
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point of the same sword with the remains of scabbard decoration and below is the hilt of another sword [ Download ]
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Another sword [ Download ]
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interesting to note that sword on this and previous picture can be dated more precisely - it has ben found in Muhu hillfort and that hillfort was destroyed in winter of 1227, so it can be no younger than that. [ Download ]
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This one is heavilly decorated, the description says that with silver. [ Download ]
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And simplier styled hilt. [ Download ]
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Artis Aboltins
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| Posted: Tue 13 Oct, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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And now an interesting sample of a later sword
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Tim Lison
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| Posted: Tue 13 Oct, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting these! I love the Messer! Post any others that you have too!
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Artis Aboltins
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| Posted: Tue 13 Oct, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Tim Lison wrote: | | Thanks for posting these! I love the Messer! Post any others that you have too! |
Sadly there is not too many weapons on display there - next time I am over in that castle I will try to take a few shots of the single suit of armour they have and of one of the firearms (could not do it this time because of the other visitors - I was there with my tourist group as a guide and, understandiably, could not just wait for people to leave)
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Maurizio D'Angelo
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| Posted: Tue 13 Oct, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Artis,
thanks, the quality of the photos and details are excellent. 
Ciao
Maurizio
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Joel Minturn
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| Posted: Tue 13 Oct, 2009 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Nice pictures, Always like seeing pictures of the real thing.
and thanks to the last two pictures you posted I can now justify doing a SCA persona with a katana (granted with a western style hilt -- hmm the best of both worlds I would thing  )
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M. Eversberg II
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| Posted: Tue 13 Oct, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Nice pictures! Reminds me that I'd like to visit Estonia.
M.
This space for rent or lease.
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Risto Rautiainen
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| Posted: Tue 13 Oct, 2009 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Do you know what material the hillfort sword hilt is? It is interesting to see how flat the grip is.
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Artis Aboltins
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| Posted: Tue 13 Oct, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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I belive it is a corroded iron that has been covered in some sort of lacquer to preserve it buy museum restorators. When I get there next time I will try to take a closer look and see how it is.
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Risto Rautiainen
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| Posted: Tue 13 Oct, 2009 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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To me it looks like tin or lead. Could be wrong though.
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Hendrik Kivirand
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| Posted: Wed 14 Oct, 2009 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| Risto Rautiainen wrote: | | Do you know what material the hillfort sword hilt is? It is interesting to see how flat the grip is. |
The Muhu hillfort sword on display is unfortunately a reproduction ("mulaaž" in Estonian), and of incorrect material, originals of this type have hilts of iron, often plated or inlaid with silver.
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Hendrik
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Artis Aboltins
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| Posted: Wed 14 Oct, 2009 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| Hendrik Kivirand wrote: | | Risto Rautiainen wrote: | | Do you know what material the hillfort sword hilt is? It is interesting to see how flat the grip is. |
The Muhu hillfort sword on display is unfortunately a reproduction ("mulaaž" in Estonian), and of incorrect material, originals of this type have hilts of iron, often plated or inlaid with silver.
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Indeed it is a reproduction - do you, by chance, know where original is? And it does looked like a lot like some sample of real artefacts that have been covered in protective lacquier during soviet times - unfortunatelly, this layer of lacquier often ends up preserving the outer shape but not prevents rust so the item beneath that layer is often rusted compleatelly.
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Paul Hansen
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| Posted: Wed 14 Oct, 2009 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the pictures!
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Hendrik Kivirand
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| Posted: Thu 15 Oct, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| Artis Aboltins wrote: | | Hendrik Kivirand wrote: | | Risto Rautiainen wrote: | | Do you know what material the hillfort sword hilt is? It is interesting to see how flat the grip is. |
The Muhu hillfort sword on display is unfortunately a reproduction ("mulaaž" in Estonian), and of incorrect material, originals of this type have hilts of iron, often plated or inlaid with silver.
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Indeed it is a reproduction - do you, by chance, know where original is? And it does looked like a lot like some sample of real artefacts that have been covered in protective lacquier during soviet times - unfortunatelly, this layer of lacquier often ends up preserving the outer shape but not prevents rust so the item beneath that layer is often rusted compleatelly. |
I'll check if I can find about it's current location, I *think* it might be in collections of the Historical Museum, but could also be that it was lost during WWII and was reproduced from drawings.
And I surely do love older 'conservation' work. My personal favourite is using electrolysis to remove rust from iron artefacts. Just so happens that it also destroys all hints of gold/silver/bronze/whatever plating the object might have had, plus all info on it's real dimensions. Close second is boiling the object in wax.
Best regards,
Hendrik
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Chris Artman
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| Artis Aboltins wrote: | | And now an interesting sample of a later sword |
That is a serious 2 handed meat cleaver! The length look huge! I wonder how long it is?
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Anders Backlund
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| Posted: Thu 15 Oct, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Artis Aboltins wrote: | | And now an interesting sample of a later sword |
What do we call these, anyway? It looks like a kriegsmesser but without the messer-style hilt.
The sword is an ode to the strife of mankind.
"This doesn't look easy... but I bet it is!"
-Homer Simpson.
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Artis Aboltins
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| Posted: Thu 15 Oct, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Anders Backlund wrote: | | Artis Aboltins wrote: | | And now an interesting sample of a later sword |
What do we call these, anyway? It looks like a kriegsmesser but without the messer-style hilt. |
Good question indeed - I am by no means an expertin the messer-style swords, perharps someone more knowledgable about those would be able to advise?
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Luka Borscak
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It looks like Swiss hand and a half and two handed sabers.
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Artis Aboltins
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| Posted: Sat 17 Oct, 2009 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| Luka Borscak wrote: | | It looks like Swiss hand and a half and two handed sabers. |
Do you, by chance, have any images of those? This one was dated 15th century...
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Luka Borscak
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This is a standard topic