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Dustin Keith




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PostPosted: Sat 28 Mar, 2009 6:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hey Carl, yeah the mark I was refering to is on the blade like the one on the first sword picture that you posted. Since I was not aware of this posting at the time, I didn't pay particular attention to what the stamp or mark was, only that it was in the same place, and the sword definately looked the same. Steel basket, double edge. I am a member of the Keith Clan, Earl Marishals of Scotland, and have always (perhaps mistakingly) refered to this as a claymore. These Higlanders fought alongside a force of about 1000, comprised of mostly British Regulars, and local tribes of Indians.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Mar, 2009 9:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Interesting history, Lin. Very impressive!

Dustin, to my knowledge, the term "claymore" is actually correct for a basket hilted broadsword, as it was used in the 18th century. I believe that only in recent times has the term been applied for a two-hander.
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar, 2009 5:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Carl Massaro wrote:
Interesting history, Lin. Very impressive!

Dustin, to my knowledge, the term "claymore" is actually correct for a basket hilted broadsword, as it was used in the 18th century. I believe that only in recent times has the term been applied for a two-hander.


Carl, I agree. There is little evidence that the word claymore was applied to the two handed sword before the late 18th c. In fact Johnson and Boswell may be responsible for that little error. There is quite a body of evidence that says the term applies to the basket hilt.

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Steve Maly includes a discussion of the term Claymore in his hands-on review of the Albion Chieftain sword.
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Mar, 2009 5:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

So, any ideas on that basket marking? Is it an "Mt", or an "IW"?
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Carl Massaro wrote:
So, any ideas on that basket marking? Is it an "Mt", or an "IW"?


None whatsoever. There were many manufacturers of these swords and they would have marked them somewhere, usually the blade. I do not have a clue what those two, in particular, would represent.

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Mar, 2009 3:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Lin Robinson wrote:
Carl Massaro wrote:
So, any ideas on that basket marking? Is it an "Mt", or an "IW"?


None whatsoever. There were many manufacturers of these swords and they would have marked them somewhere, usually the blade. I do not have a clue what those two, in particular, would represent.


I have not seen either possible sets of initials either. Remember too that a capital "I" was used for the letter "J" at this time. For example, John Simpson would have marked his hilt "IS".

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Mar, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

AFAIK, in case it hadn't been mentioned yet, the two main makers of these types of swords were Drury and Jeffries, both out of Birmingham.... I'm not aware of them marking their swords with anything other than their names and the crown over "GR" stamp......
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PostPosted: Tue 31 Mar, 2009 8:11 pm    Post subject: More info about Georgia Highlanders         Reply with quote

The group of Scottish Highlanders that fought the Spanish in colonial Georgia was the Highland Independent Company of Foot, raised in 1740. There was also a mounted Troop of Highland Rangers (raised 1739). As an aside, independent companies were a feature of the 18th c. British Army - they were companies of regular troops who were not assigned to regiments. This group was raised by General James Oglethorpe in the Highlands in the 1730's to serve as martial farmers and as a southern buffer against Spanish encroachment from Florida. Oglethorpe received permission to recruit in the Highlands from the clan chiefs, who needed to reduce the population (of which there was a overage at the time). Oglethorpe found recruiting easy because of the economic hard times in the Highlanders. He recruited entire families to come over to take up land at a spot called New Inverness (today, Darien GA). The Highlanders did fight the Spanish in the swamps wearing their Highland dress (or locally-adapted variations of it) using traditional Highland weapons. When Oglethorpe went to visit his Highlanders, he wore Highland dress to please them. The Highland Independent Company of Georgia was disbanded in 1748 and its members assimilated into Georgia society. I don't know whether the Highlanders carried privately-owned swords or government issue ammunition-quality baskethilts, of which the illustrated sword might be one.

For more information, see Anthony W. Parker, "Scottish Highlanders in Colonial Georgia: The Recruitment, Emigration, and Settlement at Darien, 1735-1748", University of Georgia Press, 1997, ISBN0-8203-1915-5[/u]
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