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Johannes S.





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PostPosted: Sat 15 May, 2004 9:14 pm    Post subject: Del-Tin's Early French Smallsword         Reply with quote

Just today I noticed Del-Tin's Early French Smallsword. How historicaly accurate is this sword because this is the first smallsword I noticed that has almost a saber styel gaurd. And how does it compare with G.G.Godwin's Smallsword,the Cold Steel Smallsword, Pheonix Metal Creatings Smallsword, or anyother sharp smallswords availible on the market that is under $400? Thanks.

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Stephen A. Fisher




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PostPosted: Sun 16 May, 2004 2:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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How historicaly accurate is this sword because this is the first smallsword I noticed that has almost a saber style guard.

The heart shaped guard that is on the Del Tin smallsword is what is often called a "boat shell" guard. It is known as hilt type 113 in A.V.B. Norman's The Rapier & Smallsword 1460-1820 "from 1720 onwards." The boat shell guard survived well into the 19th century on military swords as well. This style of guard was not uncommon.

http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/5531.html

Here is a thread that features a smallsword hilted spadroon with guard of the same form.
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=1545

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And how does it compare with G.G.Godwin's Smallsword,the Cold Steel Smallsword, Pheonix Metal Creatings Smallsword, or anyother sharp smallswords availible on the market that is under $400?


I wish I could help you out, I have not seen one of Cold Steel's smallswords, or the Del Tin to comment on. The Phoenix Metal Creations (Erik Stevenson) smallsword was a custom piece for a customer, as are all his swords. He did an awesome job on the reproduction. I was fortunate to get on his waiting list, I have a smallsword on order from Erik. More on that one when the time comes around. Wink

A smallsword by Erik Stevenson
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/5358.html

None of the smallswords on the market are sharpened, as the smallsword is a thrust-only weapon, a sharp point is all you need. Cool I have not seen an antique smallsword with a sharpened blade. But this is not to say they they do not exist, I'm sure some there are existing examples . You would probably be more likely to find a blade of hexagonal or diamond cross section sharpened rather than one triangular in shape. Just my thought on the matter.

The Del Tin Smallsword
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Stephen A. Fisher




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PostPosted: Sun 16 May, 2004 3:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Just something I've found interesting about these heart shaped guards is that when looking at pictures of a several antique early smallswords. A half-heart shaped guard is clearly evident, they could be seen as a forerunner to the full heart shaped guard.

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Johannes S.





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PostPosted: Mon 17 May, 2004 8:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

THank you very much Stephen. One last question though. Is The G.G.Godwin smallsword sharp? And if it is sharp is only part or all the blade sharp? Thanks again.
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Stephen A. Fisher




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PostPosted: Mon 17 May, 2004 8:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Johannes S. wrote:
THank you very much Stephen. One last question though. Is The G.G.Godwin smallsword sharp? And if it is sharp is only part or all the blade sharp? Thanks again.


Hi Johannes,

The Godwin smallsword is blunt, except for the point.
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Stephen A. Fisher




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PostPosted: Mon 17 May, 2004 8:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Another one that is not mentioned above, have you looked at Hanwei's smallsword? A decent replica for the money. Although it could use some improvements, (thinning of quillon, reduce the weight of the blade) it is is a very attractive repro.

http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/6188.html
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/6399.html
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/6190.html
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/5871.html
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PostPosted: Mon 17 May, 2004 9:10 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

And never forget the Arms and Armor model, a screaming little demon of a smallsword.

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Adam R




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PostPosted: Mon 17 May, 2004 9:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Roger Hooper wrote:
And never forget the Arms and Armor model, a screaming little demon of a smallsword.

Picture by Mr. Fisher


Is that an epee blade on it's side?

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Stephen A. Fisher




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PostPosted: Mon 17 May, 2004 10:29 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Adam R wrote:
Is that an epee blade on it's side?

Hi Adam,

A&A uses what is known as a musketeer / "double-wide" epee blade. While they look similar, they are quite different from the sport blade.

http://www.myArmoury.com/review_aa_ss.html

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And never forget the Arms and Armor model, a screaming little demon of a smallsword.

Hi Roger,

I was compelled to order another one a few weeks ago when they still had the myArmoury.com 5% discount. I ordered it with turks heads & a 32" blade. The sad fact is that I still miss my old one that I sold to James Aldrich. This one will be nice, and a permanent keeper. Cool

To answer Johannes question about sharp smallswords on the market. I'm sure Albion could sharpen the Del Tin if asked. Other than that, the other smallswords that I have seen all have blades of triangular cross section and are not sharped. I do not know of any one who has Cold Steel's smallsword. So I can't say anything about it's quality, etc.


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