myArmoury.com - The Black Saber by Paolo Abrera

Posts: 864 Location: Michigan, USA

Thu 05 Feb, 2009 8:55 am

Sa'ar Nudel wrote:

Matthew, referring to your former post from Feb 1st, assuming the saber in the line drawing is a historical one, it is interesting to see this dated mid-17th century saber with a complex blade and its hilt almost fully enclosed, a forerunner of its 18th century direct descendant.

In addition to Paolo's note, I recommend to check Michal Dziewulski's short book Eastern Influence on Polish Arms, it can be found in pdf format on vikingsword.com.

On your last post, if you take saber #5 and remove the thumb ring you'll have a Bedouin saber per-se...

Please pardon the late reply, Sa'ar. I do indeed visit the ethnographic forum at vikingsword.com, and while
aware of Mr. Dziewulski's status -- he actually lent some comments privately on another project from a few
years back -- I hadn't been aware of his short book. So, a thankyou to you for getting me to dig around for
it. B-)

For others who might be interested ...

http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/Dziewulski01.pdf

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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz

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Posts: 864 Location: Michigan, USA

Sun 15 Mar, 2009 11:25 am

Let's bump this back to the top for awhile, cuz I think this is such
a unique sword to look at ... B-)

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Sa'ar Nudel

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Posts: 361 Location: Haifa, Israel

Sun 15 Mar, 2009 3:33 pm

Unique it is.

I just got a new book today, inside I found a highly unusual Polish/Magyar saber: combined with a wheel-lock pistol :eek:

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Chad Arnow

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Posts: 9,545 Location: Dayton, OH

Sun 15 Mar, 2009 4:37 pm

Sa'ar Nudel wrote:

Unique it is.

I just got a new book today, inside I found a highly unusual Polish/Magyar saber: combined with a wheel-lock pistol :eek:

This one?

[ Linked Image ]

From our spotlight article on Combination Weapons.

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Sa'ar Nudel

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Posts: 361 Location: Haifa, Israel

Mon 16 Mar, 2009 12:27 am

Yes Chad, this is the one. Thank you for linking to your article, I didn't notice it before. The 2nd photo of the sword (the thumbnail one the right) may be the same photo from the book, after retouching the background.
It is Kombinations Waffen, by Heinz-Werner Lewerken, DDR 1989.

Combination aside, the blade looks excellent. I wonder how much weight the pistol adds; the scabbard must have been bulky.

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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz

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Posts: 864 Location: Michigan, USA

Sat 02 May, 2009 4:48 pm

I'd like to bump this back into my fellow forumites' consciousness. Maybe for some who
haven't had the chance to see The Black Saber, and also for those who've seen both
of my Polish War Sabers ... B-)

Gotta excuse the sunny day, however.

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Chad Arnow

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Posts: 9,545 Location: Dayton, OH

Sat 02 May, 2009 9:46 pm

Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz wrote:

I'd like to bump this back into my fellow forumites' consciousness. Maybe for some who
haven't had the chance to see The Black Saber, and also for those who've seen both
of my Polish War Sabers ... B-)

Gotta excuse the sunny day, however.

The best way to bump up a topic is to add something of substance to it. :) Gratuitous bumps of this kind assume readers can't find it on the forum pages or using the search function.

The best way to keep a thread relevant is to make sure relevant things are being added. :)

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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz

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Posts: 864 Location: Michigan, USA

Tue 05 May, 2009 1:28 pm

Chad Arnow wrote:

Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz wrote:

I'd like to bump this back into my fellow forumites' consciousness. Maybe for some who
haven't had the chance to see The Black Saber, and also for those who've seen both
of my Polish War Sabers ... B-)

Gotta excuse the sunny day, however.

The best way to bump up a topic is to add something of substance to it. :) Gratuitous bumps of this kind assume readers can't find it on the forum pages or using the search function.

The best way to keep a thread relevant is to make sure relevant things are being added. :)

It IS gratuitous. Mea culpa, as the saying goes. And so it this post, for that matter. BUT, be assured,
my actions assume nothing of what you suggest about my fellow forumites.

Frankly, what appears relevant and substantial to one person may not appear so to another. These two
swords represent -- given that we are just talking about swords here; archaic objects; in fact, irrelevant
artifacts -- my personal grail quest in the sharp and pointy world. At this moment, no other sword I
have recently looked at -- the Albion Vigil comes to mind; when offered at an extremely reasonable
price of $ 900 -- comes close to exciting a " questing feeling, " if you follow me.

And that I wish to share as many views of either sword with my fellow forumites really isn't a bad thing,
I think ....

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Chad Arnow

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Posts: 9,545 Location: Dayton, OH

Tue 05 May, 2009 6:18 pm

Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz wrote:

Frankly, what appears relevant and substantial to one person may not appear so to another. These two swords represent -- given that we are just talking about swords here; archaic objects; in fact, irrelevant
artifacts -- my personal grail quest in the sharp and pointy world. At this moment, no other sword I have recently looked at -- the Albion Vigil comes to mind; when offered at an extremely reasonable price of $ 900 -- comes close to exciting a " questing feeling, " if you follow me.

And that I wish to share as many views of either sword with my fellow forumites really isn't a bad thing, I think ....

They are indeed your grail. And they're lovely. But when there is no activity in a thread, it can be assumed that interest has waned in the subject. Whether that waning is temporary or permanent is another matter. :)

I have a thread showcasing the Latest Additions to my Collection. I'm proud of my new babies. Sometimes it's disappointing when people don't seem to notice or care and while the temptation (which I've succumbed to once or twice) to bump it is always there, I usually do my best to resist. If people were really interested in my items, they probably would have chimed in. If not, oh well, it's their loss. I collect what I collect for me, not for everyone else's approval. :)

Think of it this way: who wants a newspaper that publishes the exact same story 10 times? Turn the idea into an ongoing series of articles, adding new info and understanding with each publication, and the interest increases, though.

You're welcome to share your sword, but feel free to make the sharing an additive, rather than repetitive experience for everyone else.

See what I'm getting at? :)

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Jake DiVeronica

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Wed 22 Jun, 2011 1:05 pm

Great sword, the curve on it is so deep though that it gives me some "reach anxiety."

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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz

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Posts: 864 Location: Michigan, USA

Thu 23 Jun, 2011 12:02 pm

Jake DiVeronica wrote:

Great sword, the curve on it is so deep though that it gives me some "reach anxiety."

Thanks for the compliment., Jake. The curve IS quite amazing, and was totally
Paolo's doing -- if you've seen a couple of my other posts you'll note the curve
of those swords isn't quite as pronounced.

By the way, I appreciate that you raised this post from the quiet depths of
this forum as I feel the saber is often an under-represented sword and this
piece by Paolo Abrera -- one of the gems in my small collection -- should be
seen again ... B-)

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