Bascinet klappviser -- myArmoury.com

Igor Zeler · Posted: Mon 23 Jun, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: Bascinet klappviser

I am looking any information about klapvisier on photo above. Probably Germanisches Museum Nurnberg, but I am not sure about that.

Hugh Knight · Posted: Mon 23 Jun, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject:

I don't know that piece, but it's amazingly similar to another one from Germany (I'll attach the picture below).

Paul Mortimer · Posted: Mon 23 Jun, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject:

Thorkil has just made a fine replica of a very similar one: http://thorkil.ovh.org/swiss_klappvisor_eng.htm

He could give you some information about the original that he used.

Paul

Tom Pawlicki · Posted: Tue 24 Jun, 2008 12:14 am Post subject:

Both me and Igor know these two bascinets:
Hugh your is from Deutsches Historisches Museum and it's dated on 1350-1370 ( I'm sending another picutre of it).
The Thorkil replica is based on Klappenvisier from Valeria in SittenSion (Swiss).
And the one Igor posted - I'm sure it's from Nurenberg but's all I know about it.

Igor Zeler · Posted: Tue 24 Jun, 2008 4:00 am Post subject:

Paul Mortimer
Thorkil made that klappvisier for me... He made perfect helmet!

Klappvisier from Deutsches Historisches Museum lost during the II World War.

I have photos skulls of klappvisier found in Wroclaw (Bresslau):

Paul Mortimer · Posted: Tue 24 Jun, 2008 11:08 am Post subject:

You are a very lucky man, Igor. It is a beautiful helmet!!!

Paul

Stanislav Kg · Posted: Fri 27 Jun, 2008 2:23 am Post subject:

The klappvisor is exactly from Nurnberg Germany National Museum! The visor near to the helmet is thought to be from another similar helmet.

See some more photos:

Stanislav Kg · Posted: Fri 27 Jun, 2008 2:25 am Post subject:

One more

Igor Zeler · Posted: Fri 12 Sep, 2008 6:27 am Post subject:

Thanks Stanislaw
I think that helmet is not klappvisor. It can be similiar to the bascinet with a nose cover which was found in Sandomierz or another one found in Vistula near to Plock.

Doug Strong · Posted: Fri 26 Sep, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject:

Visor:
Germanisches Nationalmuseum, Nuremburg, Germany
Inventory Number: W1567
Date: 1350-1400.
Publications: The Knight and the Blast Furnace. Alan Williams (p. 341)

Bascinet:
Germanisches Nationalmuseum, Nuremburg, Germany
Inventory Number: W1271
Date: 1350-1375.
Publications: "Plate Armour in Germany" in A Collection of Tracts on European Armour. Sir James Mann. (Fig. 2) The Knight and the Blast Furnace. Alan Williams (p. 340)

Arek Przybylok · Posted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 6:08 am Post subject:

Hi
I am looking any information about this klapvisier. Especially I need another photos (en face etc).

Mihai Ionita · Posted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 10:53 am Post subject:

That ain't a Klapvisor, for starters. That is a hound's skull.

The Klapvisors were rather flatter and lacked the pointed snout.

Chad Arnow · myArmoury Team

Mihai Ionita · Posted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 11:46 am Post subject:

Ah. That just goes to prove, you live and learn.

Thank you for the academic takedown, Chad. Razz

Sander Marechal · Posted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 2:37 pm Post subject:

Does the non-houndskull bascinet visor have a name? I always call them shovel-faced bascinets but I have no idea if that's correct.

Kel Rekuta · Posted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 2:53 pm Post subject:

Globose?

Randall Moffett · Posted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 4:24 pm Post subject:

The problem is that you have a large number of types of visors, both in general design and how they attach to the helmet itself. You have the pig nose, shovel faced and globose models and more.

Some one really needs to make a typology for bascinets....

RPM