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Joshua McGee





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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2012 8:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My current kit so far:



The undershirt, braies, and chausses are from Historic Enterprises, the gambeson was made by Steel Mastery, and I forget who made the shoes.

I made the mail coif and arming cap underneath. In fact, when I was making the ventail on my coif, I referenced your work on the page you linked above my post, Brian. Thanks for the help that you unknowingly provided; that kit is great, by the way!

I plan to crank out a hauberk and mail chausses over the summer. I've made two hauberks before, but never attempted chausses, hopefully it will go well!


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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2012 11:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Three awesome 13th Century posts in a row?
Awesome.
I <3 13thC. Laughing Out Loud

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PostPosted: Mon 14 May, 2012 1:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Amazingly well executed kit Brian! I really want to have a good 13th century kit one day. Love the style.

Here's mine in it's latest form:

New helm, a fantastic grand bascinet by Via Armorari. It also has another visor for foot tournaments.
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Brian Robson





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PostPosted: Mon 14 May, 2012 5:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Josh,

Great to know that someone found it useful! Looking at your kit - looking good - especially the coif Big Grin

If you don't mind some constructive criticism, I think something about the overall sillhouette doesn't look typically 13c.. I think it's the gambeson being shortish. Probably all it needs is a decent knee-length tunic to sit under it - it should set the gamby off great while giving you a better period shape - if you follow.

Ben,

Glad you like it! Your stuff looks awesome! I don't know the period so can't comment on accuracy - but it's visually stunning. Nice touch having matching straps/lance.
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PostPosted: Wed 16 May, 2012 5:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Ben,
It looks like your besague on your left shoulder is caught under your plaquart. Has snagging ever caused you mobility problems?

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PostPosted: Sun 20 May, 2012 4:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My current equipement Happy




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PostPosted: Sun 20 May, 2012 5:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That looks incredible! I generally don't go for the Milanese style, but that just looks brutal, especially with that rough finish in parts. That being said, is it accurate to leave the shins unarmored like that? It looks odd...
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PostPosted: Sun 20 May, 2012 7:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Daniel, Ed, Brian and Joshua-

Loving the 13th century goodness you are working on. It is a fantastic time period with some interesting events and even more interesting people. Love all the padded armour guys!

Daniel,

Where is that mace head from?

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PostPosted: Sun 20 May, 2012 11:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Josh S wrote:
That looks incredible! I generally don't go for the Milanese style, but that just looks brutal, especially with that rough finish in parts. That being said, is it accurate to leave the shins unarmored like that? It looks odd...


I think that fighting without greaves while on foot is acceptable. You have to own greaves to wear them anyway , and I don't Razz

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PostPosted: Sun 20 May, 2012 11:49 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Michal Plezia wrote:
Josh S wrote:
That looks incredible! I generally don't go for the Milanese style, but that just looks brutal, especially with that rough finish in parts. That being said, is it accurate to leave the shins unarmored like that? It looks odd...


I think that fighting without greaves while on foot is acceptable. You have to own greaves to wear them anyway , and I don't Razz


whats your source for having a shield like that, especially that late in the 15th century, and what are the construction details?

but it indeed looks brutal, it has a very LOTR feel to it though i think thats just the helmet..
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PostPosted: Mon 21 May, 2012 12:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Some sources for the shield:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...lo_016.jpg
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/piero/sa...battle.jpg

There were also round shields in use it that period:
http://www.ugopozzati.it/Rotelle-Milanesi.htm

The helmet was made for me years ago, and was inspired by this:
http://us.dk.com/static/cs/us/11/features/eye.../13437.jpg

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May, 2012 1:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Quinn W. wrote:
Hi Ben,
It looks like your besague on your left shoulder is caught under your plaquart. Has snagging ever caused you mobility problems?


Nope, they hang extremely loose so no problems there. After wearing pauldrons for a while last weekend, I switched to these spaudlers and the range of motion felt absolutely limitless.
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PostPosted: Mon 21 May, 2012 8:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Josh S wrote:
That looks incredible! I generally don't go for the Milanese style, but that just looks brutal, especially with that rough finish in parts. That being said, is it accurate to leave the shins unarmored like that? It looks odd...


its fine for foot combat, if a man-at-arms wanted to save on weight the sabatons and then greaves would be the first to go. This is mostly because they are extremely hard targets to hit since the opponent has to strike so low the attack's range is much less than an attack to the head or chest. The German school called the concept uberlaufen but its just a general combat principle/basic geometry.

Fully enclosed lower leg and foot defenses evolved mainly for horseback, where in a melee those are the targets most easily hit by opponents on the ground.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...g_1478.jpg
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PostPosted: Tue 22 May, 2012 12:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Michal Plezia wrote:
Some sources for the shield:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...lo_016.jpg
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/piero/sa...battle.jpg

There were also round shields in use it that period:
http://www.ugopozzati.it/Rotelle-Milanesi.htm

The helmet was made for me years ago, and was inspired by this:
http://us.dk.com/static/cs/us/11/features/eye.../13437.jpg

the helmet i recognised instantly as that 'classic barbuta' it was more the fact it, plus the shield created a flashback to the men of gondor since some helmets are based off barbutes

interestingly that fresco of the san francesco battle shows a guy fighting in what looks like a frogmouth helm in that pair of men in plate harness on the left side of the picture (the frognouth helm shape is pretty distinctive since hes facing to the right of the painting )

also, it has been noted that in italy, the common style for italian armour more commonly involved maile sabatons, if the italian armour in the wallace collection is any indicator. so while fot defenses existed, it wouldnt have been plates as often, although artistic evidence might counteract that.

also for reasons raman pointed out, and also thinking of 16th C trends, going in a 3/4 armour to battle would have benefits to lightness etc,
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PostPosted: Tue 22 May, 2012 11:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...lo_016.jpg

What is interesting: it seems that the guy with the shield has only left leg armoured. He also has open greave while horseman have closed.

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PostPosted: Fri 25 May, 2012 5:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A group shot with all the damsels I rescued today. Ladies love a knight in shining armor.


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PostPosted: Sun 27 May, 2012 4:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

And here I am before season 2012 Happy
I'm during changing old clothes on new one which will match with my italian style of armour (I will try to reenact 1470-90)
(I have got few parts but I am earning money for the rest Big Grin )

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PostPosted: Mon 28 May, 2012 1:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's mine. Late 5th Century or possibly very early 6th Century (pre-Turks) Sassanian nobility. Still to make is the quiver and bow-case, however, and I have a chest disc (apezak) on its way as well.







Now I just need to find a decent Persian backdrop.

Hope the images are ok.
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PostPosted: Mon 28 May, 2012 4:16 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sassanian armour? That is *fantastic*. Some of the coolest, early-medieval armour of all! Great kit, Nadeem!
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PostPosted: Mon 28 May, 2012 9:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yay! Middle Eastern kit!
We need more of that sort of thing I think.
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