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Hugh Knight




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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jun, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Alberto Dainese wrote:
Well, I've got your point, I've no issue admitting cross were (at least, probably) not used to strike holding sword by the blade, and I thank you (and Mr Tobler) 'cause this is something I've never tough about but make sense.
Maybe you're right about ads weapon in fechtbucher, but Vadi clearly say you must have your cross's arms pointy (and so the pommel) to wound your opponent. Now I think that the way this wounding was intended is holding sword by handle (or handle and blade) and pressing cross into joint or gaps in armor (visor?). eg while crossing blade at half-swording you can stick your point into opponent's visor, or your pommel, or MAYBE (there's no reference AFAIK) your cross-end.


Hello Alberto,

But then why didn't he show any techniques using the cross this way in his book? Why don't *any* of the authors that show such weapons show techniques using the cross to attack? I argue it's likely because it's a fanciful weapon that was never actually made.

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Hugh
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Steven H




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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jun, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hugh and Christian-

Thanks for showing me how and why the pommel strike makes more sense. (I certainly would not want to be hit by the spiked pommel shown in the Codex Wallerstien :-9

-Steven

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Alberto Dainese




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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jun, 2007 11:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hugh Knight wrote:

But then why didn't he show any techniques using the cross this way in his book? Why don't *any* of the authors that show such weapons show techniques using the cross to attack? I argue it's likely because it's a fanciful weapon that was never actually made.


Hi Hugh,
I don't know why (who knows? I could say Wink ) but I admit your hypothesis makes sense. Thanks for sharing knowledge!
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