[Jack Geratic]

hello everyone .... I'm looking at building El Viejo Dragon's 54mm mounted knight, but I have questions or need of general guidlines for historical accuracy.
I've chose the heraldry of Ferry de CHAMBLEY which is Sable semy de lis or overall a cross argent. The knight would be from early 13th century. I am not sure what colour to use for the sleeveless surcoat and the horse's caparison, as well if heraldry would be present on these two items. If heraldry is present, would the cloth be a single colour and the heraldry be shown as a shield? Or would it be a pattern of golden fleur de lis on a black background. Perhaps it is the knight's wealth that determines how lavish his clothing appears as opposed to time period?
Looking at various Osprey books on the subject doesn't give definite answers - then again, perhaps that is the answer.
Thanks.

-picture of the model kit: http://www.ttfxmedia.com/vdragon/cgi-bin/vdpa...mp;P2=CG09

-CHAMBLEY heraldy: http://perso.numericable.fr/~earlyblazo/
click 'Early Rolls' .....'Lorains Part 1' .... Chambly is number 537 on list

[Richard Fay]

Hello all!

Jack,

Surcoats of the early thirteenth century didn't always bear the knight's heraldic devices. It may be just a bit later than you're shooting for, but have you looked at some of the images from the Maciejowski Bible? This is a French manuscript of circa 1250. It shows the range of colours that surcoats might have borne. I don't believe any of the surcoats on the knights in that work bear heraldic devices.

There is a drawing of a knight by Matthew Paris of around the same time that shows the knight's surcoat peppered with crosses, but it may have been more of a statement by the artist than an actual garment.

I would say that the shield should definitely bear the arms, but the surcoat can be coloured more plainly, with one hue.

Check out the images below. The ones from the Maciejowski Bible and the one by Matthew Paris are from circa 1250, while the others are from a French manuscript of the late thirteenth century, and the thirteenth century manuscript Life of St. Edward, respectively.

I hope this helped!

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