[Bruno Giordan]

I would like to gather more pics of original rondel daggers, I would be thankful for any new one I could find.

[Kjell Magnusson]

Here's one which is on display at Stockholm's Middle Age museum. Blade cross section is largely triangular.

[Chad Arnow]

I'm assuming you've already checked our rondel dagger spotlight. There are also pics in the albums. You'll have to browse through many of the albums as a number of pictures are labeled for searching.

I took these at the Frazier Historical Arms Museum:

http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/12767.html
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/12768.html
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/12769.html

Here are some others I've posted here:

[Bruno Giordan]

Yes, Chad, i need pics with some bigger resolution than there are in that excellent article, I'm tryng to capture the finer details in order to design my own handle with a nice degree of historical accuracy.

BTW, I see that a few originals feature a diamond shaped anrrow blade, which is my favourite.

Thanks

PS

Anyway the more images I see the more I understand that there are a lot of different possible solutions, depending mainly on what I coud gather from already made decorations.

I already have seasoned walnut wood, I just need to find some brass trim in proper shape to make the two discs.

[Jonathan Hopkins]

Here are two rondels. The first is English c.1480 and the second is Flemish c.1515. Please click on the additional attachments below.

Jonathan

(The photos are somewhat out of order, so please read the captions to know what is what.)

[Bruno Giordan]

wow, thanks again

[Jonathan Hopkins]

No problem. PM me if you need anything bigger than what I have posted.

Jonathan

[Merv Cannon]

[Chad Arnow]

The Flemish one he posted is from a Peter Finer catalogue. Those always include high-quality pics.

[Jonathan Hopkins]

Both are from Peter Finer catalogs. The English one is from In Armis Ars MCMXCVI and the Flemish one is from In Armis Ars MMI. The description of the Flemish rondel is longer than I have patience to reproduce here in its entirety, but here is the description of the English rondel:

The grip of turned wood mounted with circular latten plates engraved with foliage, the blade inlaid in copper with a maker's mark of an owl. In medieval times the River Thames was a major thoroughfare and many daggers must have fallen from scabbards as their owners scrambled in and out of boats.

Provenance: The River Thames at Wapping.
Overall length: 11 ins.

...and the Flemish rondel:

With a hilt of latten compromising an upper rondel or pommel of octagonal outline with scalloped edges, its upper surface finely engraved on a cross-hatched ground within a border of paired lines with a scene representing the martyrdom of St. George attended by the Virgin, and its lower surface furnished with a short moulded socket with projecting scallops turned inwards to clasp the upper end of the grip, and a lower rondel or guard of rounded rectangular outline, offset to the outside and decorated at each edge with projecting fleur-de-lis, the inner one turned towards the blade, its upper surface engraved within a boarder of paired lines on a ground of stylised running foliage with a convoluted ribbon bearing a mock inscription of running Is, a grip of root-wood tapering from its round upper end to its octagonal lower end, and decorated at its centre with a latten band boldly roped between scalloped and engraved edges, and at its lower end with a long latten ferule engraved between triple bands of triple lines with alternating panels of saltires and scallops, and a tapering blade of stiff diamond section.

Overall length: 13 1/2" Blade length: 9 1/2"

[recovered from a river in the Netherlands]

There is more, but I cannot stomach copying it. I hope this was helpful/illuminating.

Jonathan

[Jonathan Hopkins]

BTW, Peter Finer currently have two rondels in their inventory. go to www.peterfiner.com and look through the "Daggers" section. It looks like they still have the Flemish Rondel! They also have an interesting English rondel (see attached).

Jonathan

[Shae Bishop]

There is an interesting rondel dagger pic I posted on this thread and probably many more in the links to all the museum photos. Hope that helps.

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=8271&highlight=

Shae