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Ed Toton
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Posted: Mon 25 Dec, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: Question about a middle-eastern sword |
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I have a sword from the middle east that was given to me many years ago. Unfortunately I know nothing about it. I think it was brought over from Kuwait, but I'm not sure. Anyone know what this might be called or where it might originate from more precisely?
The picture came out a little fuzzy, so I may take more shots that show the blade artwork.
-Ed T. Toton III
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Hisham Gaballa
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Posted: Tue 26 Dec, 2006 2:01 am Post subject: Re: Question about a middle-eastern sword |
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Ed Toton wrote: | I have a sword from the middle east that was given to me many years ago. Unfortunately I know nothing about it. I think it was brought over from Kuwait, but I'm not sure. Anyone know what this might be called or where it might originate from more precisely?
The picture came out a little fuzzy, so I may take more shots that show the blade artwork. |
I don't recognise that style of weapon. It doesn't look like your typical Arab sword, try these forums, they might be able to help you:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=2
http://forums.swordforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13
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Lafayette C Curtis
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Posted: Tue 26 Dec, 2006 9:23 am Post subject: |
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It looks a little like some renditions of the Byzantine paramerion or the jambiya dagger. I can't help suspecting, though, that if it was really an Arab sword then it might have started out straight (looking rather like a more radically tapered version of the gladius and been bent in use!
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Bruno Giordan
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Posted: Tue 26 Dec, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Question about a middle-eastern sword |
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Ed Toton wrote: | I have a sword from the middle east that was given to me many years ago. Unfortunately I know nothing about it. I think it was brought over from Kuwait, but I'm not sure. Anyone know what this might be called or where it might originate from more precisely?
The picture came out a little fuzzy, so I may take more shots that show the blade artwork. |
Far from being an expert, but the hilt style suggests to me an african (black Africa, not north Africa) origin.
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Mikko Kuusirati
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Posted: Wed 27 Dec, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Actually, it looks Sudanese to me.
There's a nearly identical dagger being sold at Czerny's, BTW: http://www.czernys.com/auctions_lot.php?oggetto=25351
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
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Ed Toton
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Joshua Connolly
Location: Massachusetts, USA Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Posted: Fri 05 Jan, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Could you show us a picture with something to judge the length by? It doesn't really look Arabic, but it does look african of some sort. I did a little research and it could possibly be a nimcha of some sort.
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Ed Toton
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Posted: Fri 05 Jan, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I believe I was completely mistaken about its origin. The link that Mikko provided appears to be spot on in comparison, so I now believe it to be a Sudanese ceremonial dagger.
I can do better than a size reference in the picture... I took some measurements previously:
Overall Length : 27 inches
Blade Length: 19.75 inches
Hilt Length: 7.25 inches
Blade Width at guard: 2 inches
Center of Gravity: 3 inches from guard
-Ed T. Toton III
ed.toton.org | ModernChivalry.org
My armor photos on facebook
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S. Al-Anizi
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Posted: Fri 05 Jan, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Ed,
I think I know where you got this from. I live in Kuwait and I have seen some of these lying around. Unfortunately, this isnt worth much, its a newly made, african dagger. Its not arab.
Cheers!
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Ed Toton
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Jean Thibodeau
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Posted: Fri 05 Jan, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Ed Toton wrote: | Excellent, thanks. Yes, I had assumed the value was low, but it's nice to get some confirmation about its origin. |
I wonder if this one is something made for the tourist trade rather than a local using piece? Could be of local using quality or pure wallhanger materials of so-so usability / heat treat ?
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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