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Merv Cannon
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 Posted: Tue 29 Aug, 2006 3:01 am Post subject: Giant Pics from the Graz Armoury, Austria |
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Before I get to the Graz I'd like to mention why I'm placing this post here. I have been saddened recently to see several of my favourite web sources disappear. Amongst them a unique site from Belgium on historic Archery competion events which they had uniquely recreated in its many and varying forms. Also that wonderful lady from Kwantlen University in the states who had that great site on medieval flags. Im not evrn sure if that guy stll has the shots up of the only two known existing Viking saddles in the world. (Shame someone didnt do a drawing of them )
Anyway, I remembered that these shots from Graz are also from a University (in Australia) albeit from one of the professors there, but, hey, you never know...right ? So even though I am sure that most of you would know these shots ...(101 pics if I remember rightly ! ).....there may be some that havent seen this extensive, large and fairly clear record of this unique collection of arms and armour. Good thing that they just locked the doors in the 17th Cent. and thus preserved, i am led to believe, the only intact complete large armoury in the world. If you notice on page two, there are a couple of ladies gowns done as armour ! I assume they must have been done as an armourers "promotional" project or else by armouring apprentices much as they do special projects today.
The images can be viewed by a zoomable (Java) viewer, but if you wirh to "view" normal jpegs, you can turn the Panorama viewer off at the top of the page.
Enjoy !
http://rubens.anu.edu.au/raid5/austria/graz/m...nd_armour/
Merv ....... KOLR
http://www.lionrampant.com.au/
"Then let slip the dogs of war ! "......Woof !
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Randall Moffett
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WOW! That is nice. Thanks alot for the pictures. I relate completely with the feeling that many good sites are disappearing offline with great info. Thanks for putting this one up!
RPM
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Greg Thomas Obach
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Location: Elliot lake Joined: 17 Dec 2003
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unreal.........very very nice photo's of armour and arms...................love the zweihanders... !!!
thank you very very much
Greg
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Torsten F.H. Wilke
Location: Irvine Spectrum, CA Joined: 01 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue 29 Aug, 2006 10:48 am Post subject: |
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hmm... now if that was in my backyard, I could share with all of you...
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Patrick Kelly
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The one item I find most interesting is the womans dress. Does anyone know if that was meant to actually be worn as some kind of armor, simply made as a sculpture, what? I don't see any articulations anywhere.
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Sean Flynt
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Patrick Kelly
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Thanks Sean that's very interesting.
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Sean Flynt
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Allan Senefelder
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Your correct Sean. One of our fellas just came back from Austria last week and made the trip while there and theres is no photography allowed any longer in Graz.
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Posted: Tue 29 Aug, 2006 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Allan Senefelder wrote: | | Your correct Sean. One of our fellas just came back from Austria last week and made the trip while there and theres is no photography allowed any longer in Graz. |
So do they allow sketch pads and pencil renderings ! I guess it's their right to restrict access but it seems contrary to a mandate to educate as widely as possible.  I personally think it's stupid unless they offer or plan to offer extensive documentation themselves as photo books or on-line resources.
( Oh, a comment on restrictive museum policies in general and not just applied to Graz. )
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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Bruno Giordan
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| Posted: Tue 29 Aug, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Jean Thibodeau wrote: | | Allan Senefelder wrote: | | Your correct Sean. One of our fellas just came back from Austria last week and made the trip while there and theres is no photography allowed any longer in Graz. |
So do they allow sketch pads and pencil renderings ! I guess it's their right to restrict access but it seems contrary to a mandate to educate as widely as possible. I personally think it's stupid unless they offer or plan to offer extensive documentation themselves as photo books or on-line resources.
( Oh, a comment on restrictive museum policies in general and not just applied to Graz. ) |
Nay, Jean, you are to blame because you don't understand: they are just protecting armors from curious and inquisitive people.
Next step will be to blindfold visitors before entering the collection, so the protection from pryng eyes will be complete.
Also, buryng forever the armors in a deep, sealed salt mine should be considered.
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James Nordstrom
Location: Sacramento, CA Joined: 18 Sep 2003
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Johan S. Moen
Location: Kristiansand, Norway Joined: 26 Jan 2004
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Photography IS allowed in Graz. But, you would have to contact the museum beforehand about it, and probably sign a contract. The reason photography is not allowed without a permit is because someone used the pictures taken in the armoury in a newspaper article about violence, which was not at all good PR for the museum.
Johan Schubert Moen
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Sean Flynt
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Allan Senefelder
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Damn! Wish i'd known that before Jason went over.
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Posted: Wed 30 Aug, 2006 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| Johan S. Moen wrote: | Photography IS allowed in Graz. But, you would have to contact the museum beforehand about it, and probably sign a contract. The reason photography is not allowed without a permit is because someone used the pictures taken in the armoury in a newspaper article about violence, which was not at all good PR for the museum.
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Now that is a valid reason to limit what one can do with pics as this is a good example of when the media distorts reality to support some agenda rather than being honest, transparent and ethical.
Now it would be nice if they allow for fair educational uses in their contract and not just for personal use. ( No idea if this can be negotiated when asking for permission ? )
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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Johan S. Moen
Location: Kristiansand, Norway Joined: 26 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Wed 30 Aug, 2006 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Now that is a valid reason to limit what one can do with pics as this is a good example of when the media distorts reality to support some agenda rather than being honest, transparent and ethical.
Now it would be nice if they allow for fair educational uses in their contract and not just for personal use. ( No idea if this can be negotiated when asking for permission ? )[/quote]
Not sure about that, but I assume they would allow educational use of the pictures as long as you clarify it with them beforehand, and possibly send them a copy of the material afterwards.
Johan Schubert Moen
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This is a standard topic