[Al Muckart]

Hi all,

Did 14th century bascinets have chinstraps? If so how did they attach, to the helm shell or the lining? Google is failing to provide an answer and I'm curious as to what held them on in period.

I've seen a few photos now of reproduction basicnets with padded aventails, and the effigy of Walter von Hohenklingen http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/ufarm/ufarm_2.htm and http://www.forest.gen.nz/Medieval/articles/ga...alterL.jpg shows one which appears to go over the mail aventail. I've not come across anything similar looking in any of the period illustrations I've seen though.

Does anyone have more solid evidence for these? Were they always attached like an aventail or sometimes extensions of the helm padding?

Thanks.

[Tomasz Rajtar]

My opinion - XIV century basinet do not need chinstrap and I believe that this type of helmet had not such device. Just because a good made aventail with padding works as chinstrap (and of course also as substantial throat and neck protection).

Padding over the mail aventail - it is not often, but it appears. Example for Toggenburg Bible:




If my memory works fine, there is also at least one example on the Polish altarpiece from Grudziadz, but unfortunately I have no picture of this to show.

Of course padding below the mail aventail is mandatory. I think there where no aventails or mail hoods without lining (again - my own "practical" opinion. I'm not archaeologist, I'm a user).

Example (I'm sorry for poor photo quality):



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[Aaron J. Cergol]

Hello is Walter Von Hohenklingens Effigy at the Met in NYC or in the Swiss National museum Zurich. Just wondering because it's on the mets site and I'll be at the met in a coulpe weeks and I would love to see it.

as for your question on Padded aventails try this link, I had the same question that you had.

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=62864

hope this helps,

aaron

[Al Muckart]

Thank you all for the replies.

Tomasz, that effigy picture is great. Whose effigy is it though, and when did they die?

Thanks.

[Tomasz Rajtar]