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Miljan Ignjatovic
Location: Nis, Serbia Joined: 29 May 2006
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 Posted: Mon 29 May, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: Russian helmet |
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Can you tell me something more about this Russian helmet.
Do you have some more pics or illustrations about this helmet?
Thank you
M.
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Hisham Gaballa
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| Posted: Mon 29 May, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Russian helmet |
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| Miljan Ignjatovic wrote: | Can you tell me something more about this Russian helmet.
Do you have some more pics or illustrations about this helmet?
Thank you
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The style of this helmet is variously known as a chichak, shishak and zischagge. It is a style that originated in Ottoman Turkey or Mamluk Egypt. The oldest surving example of a helmet of this type is Egyptian and dates to circa 1430 AD, the so-called helmet of Barsbay, now in the Louvre. As a result of the Ottoman conquests it was widely adopted in Eastern Europe by the Russians, Poles and Hungarians. A variant of this type of helmet made its way westwards and became the "lobster-tailed pots" used in the English Civil War. the guy in the 2nd picture looks like a 17th century Polish Hussar.
That particular helmet (the top one) is Russian and belonged to Czar Mikhael Fiodorovitch. it dates to the second half of the 16th century and I think it is now in the Kremlin Armoury Museum. There is also a school of thought that this particular helmet helmet was originally Turkish or persian, because if you look carefully, there is an Arabic Inscription around the top.
I have a few more pics of helmets of this type if you're interested.
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Jason Elrod
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| Posted: Mon 29 May, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Russian helmet |
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| Hisham Gaballa wrote: | | I have a few more pics of helmets of this type if you're interested. |
I would love to see more pics!
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Hisham Gaballa
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Miljan Ignjatovic
Location: Nis, Serbia Joined: 29 May 2006
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Thanx for the great pictures. Just what I needed.
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Hisham Gaballa
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| Posted: Tue 30 May, 2006 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| Miljan Ignjatovic wrote: | | Thanx for the great pictures. Just what I needed. |
Your welcome. Here's another picture of Czar Mikhael Fiodorovitch's helmet.
Click on the thumbnail:
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Miljan Ignjatovic
Location: Nis, Serbia Joined: 29 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue 30 May, 2006 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| Hisham Gaballa wrote: | | Miljan Ignjatovic wrote: | | Thanx for the great pictures. Just what I needed. |
Your welcome. Here's another picture of Czar Mikhael Fiodorovitch's helmet.
Click on the thumbnail:
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I have one more question: that nosepart of the helmet, I saw in one pic that is was going up and down, is that true?
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Why does the nasal slide?
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Felix Wang
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Yes, the nasal on these helmets can be adjusted. The only reason I can think for this is the obvious, to get the nasal out of the face when not needed.
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Hisham Gaballa
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| Posted: Tue 30 May, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Felix Wang wrote: | | Yes, the nasal on these helmets can be adjusted. The only reason I can think for this is the obvious, to get the nasal out of the face when not needed. |
What he said. 
I also remember reading somewhere that the nasal is slid up when using a bow so as not to snag the bowstring.
Sliding nasals are a common feature on many Islamic, Indian and Eastern European helmets.
Check out the links, these are NOT chichaks, yet they still have sliding nasals:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...ttoman.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...th_c_1.jpg
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Miljan Ignjatovic
Location: Nis, Serbia Joined: 29 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri 02 Jun, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Finale I found some good pic.
M.
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Hisham Gaballa
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| Posted: Fri 02 Jun, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Miljan Ignjatovic wrote: | Finale I found some good pic.
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Yes, those both seem to be chichaks of the same type.
The only further updates I can add is that this type of helmet was called a shishak in Russian and a szyszak in Polish.
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Hisham Gaballa
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| Posted: Wed 28 Jun, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Some more pictures of Russian Chichaks:
 
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This is a standard topic
