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Folkert van Wijk
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 Posted: Tue 21 Mar, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: "New" site with cool roman time germanic sword/kni |
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Check this site out...
http://www.platnerz.com/
And tell me what you think...
for me it's pretty expensive but I do like the Germanic iron age sword/knife/sax...
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A good sword will only be sharp, in the hands of a wise man…
I am great fan of everything Celtic BC, including there weapons.
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Jared Smith
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| Posted: Tue 21 Mar, 2006 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Pretty nice.
I really liked the long gripped late medieval sword. I am not sure of what the prices are from the way they are presented. There appears to be either a range of price or two prices. The prices are out of my range.
Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence!
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Jeroen Zuiderwijk
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It seems very overprized considering the quality they offer. I'm not even sure if any of the pieces can be considered historically accurate. There's more eastern European smiths that offer similar work at much lower prices:
http://www.celtic-smith.cz/english/smithy.htm
http://drakkaria.com/drakkaria/index.php?id_druhu=7
Usually they are very rough approximations of the originals, and sometimes with a rough finish. While the latter is quite attractive, as you can see all the traces of hand crafting, it's not very authentic. But if you do like the look of it, at least don't pay too much for it 
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Folkert van Wijk
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| Posted: Tue 21 Mar, 2006 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Hm, Jeroen;
If you consider this image
I think it's pretty close to the originals, And nothing I have seen on before, neither on the site's you mentioned...
Folkert
A good sword will only be sharp, in the hands of a wise man…
I am great fan of everything Celtic BC, including there weapons.
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Michal Plezia
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I've been watching this site for few years....there is something strange in the finish of these items....rust on the blades' pictures-see saber....the price is high,finish is not high.
www.elchon.com
Polish Guild of Knifemakers
The sword is a weapon for killing, the art of the sword is the art of killing. No matter what fancy words you use or what titles you put to
it that is the only truth.
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Folkert van Wijk
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| Posted: Tue 21 Mar, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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I see what you mean Michal...
... I think this is a real same, isn't it?
If I where to order something, I would try to ask them to give it all a more satin like finnish...
Folkert
A good sword will only be sharp, in the hands of a wise man…
I am great fan of everything Celtic BC, including there weapons.
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Jeroen Zuiderwijk
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| Posted: Wed 22 Mar, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| Folkert van Wijk wrote: | Hm, Jeroen;
If you consider this image
I think it's pretty close to the originals, And nothing I have seen on before, neither on the site's you mentioned...
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Superficially only. I've seen the originals up close, and it's at best a rough approximation. The hilt construction is wrong, and the blade looks really bad in quality in the close-up. Considering the inaccuracies I can see from the photos already, I highly doubt the blade geometry is a close approximation either. I know there's no other reproduction of this knife yet (aside from Jake Powning's, though that's not really a reproduction), but personally I don't see how this one is worth the money, not just for the inaccuracies, but also because it has very little work put in to give it a decent finish.
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Folkert van Wijk
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| Posted: Wed 22 Mar, 2006 3:20 am Post subject: |
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I 'f got your point Jeroen,
I quess I get to easely anthousiastic over some things...
Especialy over reproductions as rare as these Vamose things.
Besides, blade geometry is something hart to determine on internet pics.
Anyone ever handled something from these Platnerz folks?
A good sword will only be sharp, in the hands of a wise man…
I am great fan of everything Celtic BC, including there weapons.
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Jeroen Zuiderwijk
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| Folkert van Wijk wrote: | I 'f got your point Jeroen,
I quess I get to easely anthousiastic over some things...
Especialy over reproductions as rare as these Vamose things.
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The thing that bugs me most is that he's charging prices comparible to the high end bladesmiths, while his work clearly shows very poor quality. That would be fine, if he'd ask prices that are at the very low end. But asking high end prices for low end products is ridiculous. You'd be better off asking one of the better custom blade smiths to do it for you, who will probably ask similar prices, but you'll get top quality work in return. Of course you'll probably have to wait some years before it will be ready, but that's another thing
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Shane Allee
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Location: South Bend, IN Joined: 29 Aug 2003
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For the most part I have to agree with Jeroen's comments.
If I was to guess, I would say the hilt construction is based on an example from Aby Gammelgard that may be in the National Museum of Sweden. Hard to tell from the picture how he made it, but this example does have metal banding that kind of clads the guard and pommel sections. If it is based on this example the shaping is off a fair bit. It is hard to say if the blade on this example is of the same type that he attempted to replicate. The original is fragmented and in rather poor condition, but you can still make out enough from sections to tell that that it is heavily fullered. These are fairly deep when compared to the other blade style, so I'm not even sure if I would consider this the same blade type. So it might be more of a matter of not have the right hilt style with the correct blade type.
Shane
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Folkert van Wijk
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| Posted: Thu 23 Mar, 2006 12:25 am Post subject: |
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It apears to me;
That they took the top most left "sax" on the drawing as starting point. Somehowe invented an extra hilt part on the end of the grip, maybe inspired by the Aby Gammelgard "sax" you (Shane) mentioned. And finnaly then for decoration aded the "fullers/engravings from the second top "sax" on the drawing....
Or is this all to simple a thought..?
A good sword will only be sharp, in the hands of a wise man…
I am great fan of everything Celtic BC, including there weapons.
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