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Kasper Rind




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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jan, 2006 3:11 am    Post subject: Spear from BM.         Reply with quote

Hi
I was wondering if any should have some info on this spearhead, lenght ect. or where I might find it. Anything could be usefull since Iwould like to get a replica made of this weapon.



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Chuck Russell




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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jan, 2006 4:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

wow without knowing some knowledge about it, it could be anything. from post roman to 10thc europe.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jan, 2006 5:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

These winged spearheads are usually given Frankish origin. I think we talk about 8th or 9th C.

Jaap Ypey has made a documentation and analysis of such a spearhed. The drawing I post here is taken from Sachse´s "Damascus Steel"
Fine craftsmanship and fairly complex construction...
You get an idea of the size from the measured line in the drawing. The units are cm.



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Greyson Brown




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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jan, 2006 6:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Kasper,

By BM you mean the British Museum, right? I thought I had taken a picture of every single weapon in that place, but I can't find it in my collection. That sure looks like the green background from the British Museum's Celtic/early Iron Age hall, so maybe it was one of those that I took, but was so horribly out of focus that I deleted it.

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Shane Allee
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jan, 2006 6:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Don't think that it would probably be in the Celtic iron age section. Seems like there might have been a few in earlier than I would have expected, but not that early and not Celtic. The bulk are as Peter said are from the Viking age and Frankish in origin. Although a few scattered examples might be a bit earlier.

The picture gallery on the link below has some good pictures of some finds in Gotland.

http://www.frojel.com/_index.html

Having problems getting the pictures to work, but gallery 40 and 41 both have a picture of a winged spear in them.

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Greyson Brown




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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jan, 2006 7:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough. I wasn't saying that I thought the spear to be Celtic/early Iron Age. I was just saying I thought I recognized the back ground material. Tthey reuse that stuff in a couple other places in the museum, but it is most prevalent in the Celtic hall.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Jeff Pringle
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jan, 2006 7:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

J. Ypey's article "Flügellanzen in niederländischen Sammlungen" illustrates 35 of these spears, with find location, measurements and sometimes weights. It's a great stroll though the variations encountered in size, shape and proportions on these 'winged lances'.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jan, 2006 8:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Might also check out here.

http://www.vikingsword.com/laking/lak001c.html

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Kasper Rind




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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jan, 2006 8:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I found the picture under the topic about the viking hellebard. Have seen the same spearhead in Ospreys Viking Hersir. The spearhead dates from bout 10' th cent and i gues it is found some where on the british islands. I was hoping that someone might have some infomation on the size of the spearhead, since Im planing on making a copi for fighting.
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Jeff Pringle
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jan, 2006 9:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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I was hoping that someone might have some infomation on the size of the spearhead

That exact one I cannot say, but this type of spear point typically was between 40 and 50 cm. Some were smaller, 30 - 40 cm, a few larger, up to and beyond 60 cm, they were not made to a standard size.
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Kasper Rind




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PostPosted: Sat 14 Jan, 2006 11:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Jeff and rest of you for helping out.
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Jan Downs




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PostPosted: Tue 14 Feb, 2006 12:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Do a search for viking hewing spear or just hewing spear and i believe you'll actually find there is a replica of this spear head being offered. There are also a few folks offering winged spears of this type on the web. The link is on my home computer or I'd post it.
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David Martin




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PostPosted: Tue 14 Feb, 2006 8:10 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Museum Replicas sells a Viking Hewing Spearhead. Although it doesn't have wings, it would be hard to beat the price:

http://www.museumreplicas.com/webstore/eCat/L...Spear.aspx

If you do find a winged/lugged spearhead, please post it here, as I'd be interested in purchasing one as well. Thanks!

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