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Bruno Giordan
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 Posted: Sun 05 Feb, 2006 10:22 am Post subject: Interpretation of images of early closed helmets |
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Who could tell me how the apparent ridges connecting the parts of this helmets should be interpreted?
I would like to try a reconstruction but I was puzzled by them.
The helmets are from a german Eneide version by a certain Von Veldeke dating to the turn of the 11th century or the early 12th.
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I feel the maximum size allowed for uploading images is really too low.
At that weight many details are lost due to jpeg compression. Also I have plenty of quality images of Brescia's Marzoli Museum I would gladly share but I have not time for converting them decently into less than 125k images.
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Bruno Giordan
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notice also the helm crests and a sort of turban (?) some appears to be wearing on top of their helms
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Bruno Giordan
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Bruno Giordan
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Wolfgang Armbruster
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Though I can't really answer your question, if you want to includemore pictures in one post, then simply upload them at http://www.imageshack.us
It's free and the pics stay there for months 
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Alexander Ren
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Those look similar to a helm that Medieval Reproductions makes. http://www.medievalrepro.com/Helmets.htm - it is the 9th one down on the list.
I think I have seen pictures of antuiqe helms like that but I can't remember where. You may want to try and contact Medieval Reproductions and ask about the helm they based theirs on.
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Bruno Giordan
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| Posted: Mon 06 Feb, 2006 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| Alexander Ren wrote: | Those look similar to a helm that Medieval Reproductions makes. http://www.medievalrepro.com/Helmets.htm - it is the 9th one down on the list.
I think I have seen pictures of antuiqe helms like that but I can't remember where. You may want to try and contact Medieval Reproductions and ask about the helm they based theirs on.
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The helmets on the website look excellent, thank you for the info btw, however the ones I have found (others that are similar are depicted in Charlemagne's shrine) feature a three piece construction, down the skullkap there is a band, often made in two parts, that seems to be protecting the nape too.
They look intriguing
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Wolfgang Armbruster
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I'm truly not an expert on helmets, but could these bands be just artistic license in order to show a difference between opponents? They look like little turbans......
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Elling Polden
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A distinct posibility is that they are "team markers", ribbons tied around the helmets to signify what side where on.
Remember that this is before uniforms, and one knight in armour looks pretty similar to the other....
Especialy if you are an yeoman archer, and not up to speed on heraldry... 
"this [fight] looks curious, almost like a game. See, they are looking around them before they fall, to find a dry spot to fall on, or they are falling on their shields. Can you see blood on their cloths and weapons? No. This must be trickery."
-Reidar Sendeman, from King Sverre's Saga, 1201
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