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Risto Rautiainen




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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb, 2006 9:05 am    Post subject: Museum pics of roman military equipment.         Reply with quote

I just saw this at armourarchive and thought I'd share:

http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment.html

I have never seen such close pics and details of antique Roman equipment.
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb, 2006 9:25 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thx for sharing Happy
The pompeji gladius with the reinforced tip caught my eyes Eek!

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yep, that one especially poked my eye Big Grin
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb, 2006 10:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Cool stuff. Does one of these pugios look pattern-welded?



The fourth one down looks like its center is patterned.

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb, 2006 10:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
Cool stuff. Does one of these pugios look pattern-welded?


The fourth one down looks like its center is patterned.


Absolutely! Eek!
I just wonder why the pattern-welded section is so narrow. Maybe it was just for cosmetic purposes.
The second one from above could also be pattern-welded if you look closely. Lots of corrsion there unfortunately.
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb, 2006 7:47 pm    Post subject: Great Pics         Reply with quote

Those are some excellent pics. Shows the detail and excellent craftsmanship in these type of pieces.

In most cases were pattern welding was used in the ancient and early medieval context it is a central panel or sometimes even veneer down the center and did not extend to the edges.

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: In particular         Reply with quote

This piece in particular caught my eye as being of interest and definitely one that leads down a few paths of hilt development. I would love to get the context of the find on this piece. Anyone near the Aalen Museum?

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb, 2006 10:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Wolfgang Armbruster wrote:
Thx for sharing Happy
The pompeji gladius with the reinforced tip caught my eyes Eek!



Cool!

Looks like it´s made to burst open rings in a maille this one.

I realy like to have a reconstruction of this one.

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Feb, 2006 8:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Martin Wallgren wrote:
Looks like it´s made to burst open rings in a maille this one.


That seems to be everyone's first reaction, but it's more likely just to keep the tip from bending in general. Swords were not really designed to go *through* armor--the Romans would have been taught to simply go *around* it. Mail is simply not that easy to "burst open". In any case, most of a legionary's opponents would not have armor. There have been long discussions about this on the Roman Army Talk board.

There's another neat page of antiquities on the Legio VI Victrix site, including that sword:

http://www.legionsix.org/Real%20Gear.htm

Check out the winged Phrygian helmet at the end of the 5th row!

Valete,

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Shane Allee
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Feb, 2006 8:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hey Craig,

Afraid I can't help you with that specific one, but I did think of a very similar one that might help you out. Here is a picture of one Jeroen took at the National Museum in Kopenhagen.

http://membres.lycos.fr/bronzeage/sejrens_triumf/image56.htm

It is from Vimose III if that helps any.


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