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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug, 2003 5:08 pm    Post subject: Hey Mac (re: MRL's Arbedo Sword)         Reply with quote

Any chance you could find me some good photos of the historical sword that MRL's Arbedo sword is based off of? I know its on display in the metropolitian museum and its called "Cruciform Sword".

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug, 2003 6:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

For reference, so others won't have to search for it, here's a photo of MRL's Arbedo Sword:

(Eric, you'll get more responses if you do the legwork...)

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug, 2003 6:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

At a guess I'd say it's this this piece ......

From Oakeshott's book "Records of the Medieval Sword", XVIIIa. 4

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http://www.ezshots.com/members/mcdonaldthomas...s-1397.jpg

I plan on going to NYC , & the Met , in the very near future , so I'll try & take some snaps of it ( amoung others ;-)

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug, 2003 6:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thomas McDonald wrote:
At a guess I'd say it's this this piece ......
From Oakeshott's book "Records of the Medieval Sword", XVIIIa. 4

I plan on going to NYC , & the Met , in the very near future , so I'll try & take some snaps of it ( amoung others ;-)

Yep. That's it.

Hey Mac, let me know when you're going.. maybe I can meet you there.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug, 2003 7:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Nathan

I'll let you know as soon as I know *g*

Basically we promised my daughter a trip to NYC for her birthday ( Aug. 4 th ) , but we were in the process of closing on the new house (turned out to be the 4th no less ) , plus the weather was monsoon city , so we cancelled till a later date !

Since Rachel wants to shop in Times Square, near her beloved MTV/TRL sudios , I figured I'd escape to the past, & relax *g* , and let my wife do the daughter - mother shopping bit !

So now we just have to figure a day that were all not commited to something ??

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug, 2003 7:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thomas McDonald wrote:
Since Rachel wants to shop in Times Square, near her beloved MTV/TRL sudios , I figured I'd escape to the past, & relax *g* , and let my wife do the daughter - mother shopping bit !

Well, I might just have to go shopping with them too! haha...

Let me know, as I'm planning on going to NYC soonish and it might overlap. Gotta hang out at the Met again.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug, 2003 7:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Will do !

Rachel wants to see Ground Zero , too , as she was not with us last trip .......

...... and of course we always visit the Dakota, & Strawberry Fields, to pay our repects and enjoy the park !

"You know how I love the park, Bitterman" *g* Mac

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug, 2003 7:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thomas McDonald wrote:
Rachel wants to see Ground Zero , too , as she was not with us last trip .......

Not to get too off-topic here, but last time I was in NYC was September 10th.. the day before.. the day.. and well, I'd like to go see it, too.

Back on topic, I wonder how often the Met rotates their exhibits?

Did you know that the Met has it written in their charter than anyone can request to have a private showing with any piece in the collection? You have to provide the ascension number and, of course, you're victim to their scheduling, but any piece within the met could be in your hands if you want it to be.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug, 2003 7:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hey Nathan

Wow... I did not know that !
Hmm ..... Mac & the Twysden, this could be good *g*

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug, 2003 7:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

From what I've heard, they make it difficult on you. If you wanted to see, say, three swords.. they might try to give three different dates and times for showing each individual sword. The scheduling is often made inconvenient so as to discourage it, but for you guys who are somewhat local, it might be well worth it. Also, you never know until you try. It's certainly worth the effort to handle some of these pieces in-hand.
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug, 2003 8:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan,
I had no idea. I may have to reschedule another trip... but I don't think I can handle another road trip for a little while. Still, even though I was just there less than two months ago, I already want to go back.
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug, 2003 8:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mac thank you very very much, love the photos seeing as its pretty cool to see the real sword when you have a replica Happy Nathan thanks for the info about the met, never knew you could schedule that, I may have to take a trip up and get to see that piece real upclose Happy thanks guys
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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug, 2003 12:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Did Oakeshott provide any stats for this weapon? Even if he did, it would be nice to see a complete, modern record (a hint to those of you headed to the Met Big Grin ).
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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug, 2003 12:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Just the blade length : 31 " 978.8cms)

Type : XVIIIa
Find-place : unknown
Pommel-type I
Cross-style: 8
Date: c. 1350-1400
Collection : The Met , NYC .

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug, 2003 12:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for that! I see that Windlass/MRL at least got the blade length right. I wonder how the replica compares to the original in the more challenging areas of weight, balance, etc.
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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug, 2003 1:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sean Flynt wrote:
Thanks for that! I see that Windlass/MRL at least got the blade length right. I wonder how the replica compares to the original in the more challenging areas of weight, balance, etc.


Hi Sean

My money is on the original *g* (unless Windless/MRL has acquired Vince Evans , or Peter Johnsson ;-)

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug, 2003 1:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'll rephrase: I wonder how far off-the-mark the Windlass/MRL piece is :-)
It looks like the replica would be relatively easy to give the antique treatment, and since I now have photos of the original to inform that process....

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug, 2003 2:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Sean

I'm 100% sure it's way off the mark , compared with an original medieval piece, but that is not to say that this replica could not be an attractive , well ..... replica ! Antiquing it , at least in my book , would give it a nicer ( ie: real ) look !

Good luck , Mac

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Oct, 2007 8:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sorry to dredge up such an old topic, but does anyone happen to have the pics Mac posted as the links seem to no longer work? Also any other pics, measurements etc anyone has would be appreciated,
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PostPosted: Tue 02 Oct, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I don't have Mac's photo, but I do have this scan from Records. Also I am doing a project with Baltimore Knife and Sword based off of the sword in the Met http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=83196


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