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Mike Fletcher




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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 10:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think it would also be nice to see customization options offered (engraving, inlay, bronze guard/pommel, etc.) as well as an expanded choice of standard grip colors.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 10:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan Robinson wrote:
David Stokes wrote:
They wouldnt be under $1,000, but it would be interesting to see another quality company have a swing at it, especially a US company

I admit my shortcomings on this topic, but I can't imagine a domestic company making a quality mounted US-made katana under $1,000 to compete with the Paul Chen/ Cold Steel/ Cicada Forge lines.




Thats just my point. All of the albion mark swords are under a grand........... if they did production katanas, they would have to bust that price niche
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 10:58 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Thats just my point. All of the albion mark swords are under a grand........... if they did production katanas, they would have to bust that price niche

Yeah, we're on the same page.

By the way, there will be Albion Mark NextGen swords costing over a grand. The price points are in the $650-$1,200 range.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 11:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I don't know if it would be a wise move.

It seems that Albion has more than enough on their plate at the moment. Throwing a dramatically different design like a katana in the mix would really slow things down, on the developmental side.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Dec, 2003 12:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've always believed in the maxim "dance with who brung ya." With PJ on board, Euro-Medieval looks to be Albion's forte and I think it will profit them to go with that for now. In my personal opinion, let the Japanese/Asian specialist concerns satisfy the market for Katanas and the Euro specialists satisfy the market for Euro swords.
Keeping withing the realm of Euro-Medieval-ish:
--"Norman" Type-X
--single-edged Viking ( I know from talking to Mr. McHugh that this is a distinct possibility.)
--Falchion
--Grosse Messer
--Two-handed Swiss sabre (might have to be a plainer version sans complex hilt)
--Type-XIX

Perhaps several "single-edged" sword models could be released as a group: the Viking, Falchion, Grosse Messer, and Sabre, although the Sabres verge on the "complex hilt" category.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Dec, 2003 11:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very true patrick.
There is the western sword market and the japanese. Both seem to be equally as large, even though the Japanese side arguably doesnt has as much drastic (note drastic) variations in design, size ect......... I do think that market is well taken care of with a large variety of choices to choose from.
BUT Albion is making those highlander katanas, so maybe if they did a few limited edtions using the blades, but giving them a traditional mount. ....... but that wouldnt really constitute a entire LINE of swords.

Personally, i would be interested in seeing more sabers like the now discontiued Trafalgar........ It says it will be redesigned so i cant WAIT to see what they do with it.
I always loved the blade on that sword, but the hilt never really did it for me, so i cant wait to see what they have in store for us on that one!
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Dec, 2003 3:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

David Stokes wrote:
Personally, i would be interested in seeing more sabers like the now discontiued Trafalgar........

To avoid confusion, the Trafalgar is a naval cutlass....

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PostPosted: Tue 09 Dec, 2003 7:03 am    Post subject: I would like to see...         Reply with quote

a couple more Latene Celtic swords, some 6th or 7th century Anglo-Saxon styles and a nice falcatta, one with a fairly sharp point and a horsehead grip.
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Dec, 2003 1:22 am    Post subject: Two handed Sabers         Reply with quote

Two handed sabres are what I would love to see. I eventually want to have a custom sabre of this type made, first I wish to learn more so I can design it historically. Also some one said single edged viking sword? I havent seen one of these other than a langsaex, but not a full sized sword. A Viking Backsword sounds interesting to me. I love single edged Euro Weapons of all types. Also some continental basket hilts broadswords and backswords would be awesome
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Dec, 2003 8:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm thinking that "What yould you like to see?" is only somewhat useful for Albion to see answered. "What would several of us actually buy?" is a better question to answer.
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Dec, 2003 11:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Joe Fults wrote:
I'm thinking that "What yould you like to see?" is only somewhat useful for Albion to see answered. "What would several of us actually buy?" is a better question to answer.


What I would like to see AND would buy in the PJ/NG line are some La Tene I and La Tene II swords, early iron age blades (Iberian, Irish, Roman, Greek), Halstatt swords, etc.

As I understand it though, these designs are slated somewhere "out there" on the design boards, all in due time Big Grin

So I can't complain.
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Dec, 2003 12:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Joe, certainly that is a valid question. When I posted the topic, it was with the understanding in my mind that people should also consider commercial viability. Perhaps I should have been more explicit. Nevertheless, I think the suggestions have been for the most part constructive and have kept in mind "marketability."
Some of the swords mentioned I believe would have a market simply because no one makes one. The "Viking backsword," as someone called it, was quite a prominent type in period -- perhaps a quarter or more of all Viking swords known? Yet, AFAIK, there is not one reproduction. For Viking afficianados it would be a great opportunity.
Some types, like the Falchion and Grosse Messer, are represented in the reproduction market, but only by "low-price-point" companies like MRL and Cold Steel. Perhaps customers would pay to see these types done to a higher level of accuracy and quality.
Others, like the "knightly" or "Norman" type-X, are much-reproduced but nevertheless this is a model you probably want in the product line eventually. I, for one, would purchase such a model if Albion releases one.

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Dec, 2003 2:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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What I would like to see AND would buy in the PJ/NG line are some La Tene I and La Tene II swords, early iron age blades (Iberian, Irish, Roman, Greek), Halstatt swords, etc.



I've a Next Gen "Baron" on order, and (after the Solingen, which would be my next choice) am plenty enamoured with a couple of the other Next Gens-- but I have to agree, I would love to see Peter's and Albion's "Next Gen" take on the La Tene I and II swords.

I would also be thrilled to see an Iron Age Irish sword (a good one). Do you have a particular one in mind Nathan? I only ask because a lot of the swords we see from that period (in Ireland) are not overly inspiring-- but I'm only going on what I have seen.

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Dec, 2003 3:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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I would also be thrilled to see an Iron Age Irish sword (a good one). Do you have a particular one in mind Nathan? I only ask because a lot of the swords we see from that period (in Ireland) are not overly inspiring-- but I'm only going on what I have seen.

David


Well, though not large, the Lisnacrogher is quite impressive in shape and geometery and cross section.

I also find the double-fullered specimen pictured quite intriguing, both in terms of blade and the rather intricate remaining bronze fitting.

I'd like to see a very nicely done PJ/NG of one of these (preferably the Lisnacrogher) with around a 16 1/2"--18" blade length...



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PostPosted: Thu 11 Dec, 2003 4:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Well, though not large, the Lisnacrogher is quite impressive in shape and geometery and cross section.

I also find the double-fullered specimen pictured quite intriguing, both in terms of blade and the rather intricate remaining bronze fitting.

Thanks Nathan-- I wasn't familiar with the Lisnacrogher sword (just the scabbard).

In re: the double fullered one in the lower pic, any idea of its measurements? Angus McBride did an illustration of Cuchulainn (and sword) some years back, and I am wondering if that sword might have been his inspiration. I'll have to track it down again-- it is more than possible that I am not remembering correctly.

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Dec, 2003 10:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

David McElreaIn wrote:
re: the double fullered one in the lower pic, any idea of its measurements? David


As you probably know, all the Irish "swords" that are thought to date from La Tene era are quite, quite small---more like large dagger size.

IIRC the Ballinderry sword (double fullered one) has a blade length of about 45 cm, and the Lisnacrogher is around 36 cm blade length... I alsdo seem to recall the Ballinderry being one of the longest Irish La Tene "swords" found yet...

If I had a custom Lisnacrogher made (still sorta on the back burner), I would probably have the maker fudge a bit and stretch the blade length out to maybe 41-43 cm or so. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Dec, 2003 9:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I just noticed a little tiny note at the bottom of the page that has PJs drawings for those new swords Albion's doing. A coming soon for a type XIV and a Claymore...where's mac at? hehe....
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec, 2003 8:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'd personally like to see a single-handed Scottish sword, as I don't see very many good ones on the market. Also maybe a civil war era or napoleonic style sabre.
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec, 2003 9:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have to agree with some of the previous posts..I'd like to see a LaTene II piece. I've admired that sword very much for a long time. The XVIIIa on page 191 of"Records" would be fantastic, but would probably fit better in the PJ Museum line.

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Dec, 2003 5:40 pm    Post subject: Albions Next Next Next Generation swords....         Reply with quote

I know for a fact that they are coming out with a Claymore, as well as other big two-handers.....about time. FREEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!
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