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Nathan Robinson
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 Posted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 4:46 pm Post subject: Lutel kriegsmesser |
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I just got my second kriegsmesser.. and wow.. it's totally different than the first!! Here I'm saying that I think Lutel is "too" machine perfect (and they are) and too "cookie cutter".. but you know what? They're not cookier cutter at all.. they're actually quite different from one another. The blade shape/curve is absolutely different.. the thickness of the guard is different.. the thickness of the grip is different.. it's very interesting because it would appear that the hilts are made to fit the blades.. and there is variety to be found in the blade, so the hilt must accomodate it.
Interesting.
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Björn Hellqvist
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| Posted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, checking the pics in your gallery with my Messer, I can see that the curvature on mine is slightly different, and that the guard-plate has four grooves instead of five. Seems like there's more to Lutel than meets the eye...
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Nathan Robinson
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| Posted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Björn Hellqvist wrote: | | Yeah, checking the pics in your gallery with my Messer, I can see that the curvature on mine is slightly different, and that the guard-plate has four grooves instead of five. Seems like there's more to Lutel than meets the eye... |
Wow! you're right.. the newer one I have has 4 grooves, while my old one has 5 grooves. They're also shaped differently and the cross-guards are flared and sized differently from eachother. The new blade is significanlty more curved than the old one. I don't know which curvature I like better, as they're both accurate and attractive. Overall, it's a very nice sword model and I will have to weigh and measure them to see other differences.
Pretty interesting.
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Björn Hellqvist
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| Posted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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We could measure the difference in curvature (I think the technical term is "sagitta") and compare the messers.
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Nathan Robinson
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Björn Hellqvist
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The Swedish word is "pilhöjd", "arrowheight", and as "sagitta" is Latin for "arrow" (the constellation Sagittarius = the Archer), and it is logical when you think of the curve as a bow and the measurement as a very small arrow... I'm searching for the proper English term as we speak.
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Björn Hellqvist
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| Posted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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1½" at the greatest (as measured from an imagined line base of blade - point).
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Björn Hellqvist
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| Posted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Found a definition (sort of): "sagittal curvature: An incorrect name for axial curvature, and an obsolete name for transverse curvature, both of which are axis-based curvatures."
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Nathan Robinson
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Scott Byler
Location: New Mexico Joined: 20 Aug 2003
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I'll be watching for the new pictures.  I keep thinking that when I get some money together I'll get one of these guys, but it hasn't happened yet. It is on my list, though...
Does the extra curvature change the 'feeling' of the way the sword should be handled a lot?
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Russ Ellis
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| Posted: Fri 12 Dec, 2003 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Two of them? Sheesh Nathan what are you up to? You aren't planning on having this one broken down are you?
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Nathan Robinson
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This is a standard topic