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James Arlen Gillaspie
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Posted: Tue 01 Dec, 2020 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Don't those look like theta rings on the chest? |
It's either that or they are really tiny buckles.
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James Arlen Gillaspie
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Posted: Sat 19 Dec, 2020 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Some photos of a mail shirt I am trying to get some opinions about, as to approximate time and place of manufacture. Oh, and large areas of the shirt are of alternating riveted and solid construction. https://photos.app.goo.gl/busr55ZpAmiwZBXU8
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Posted: Sat 19 Dec, 2020 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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James Arlen Gillaspie wrote: | Some photos of a mail shirt I am trying to get some opinions about, as to approximate time and place of manufacture. Oh, and large areas of the shirt are of alternating riveted and solid construction. https://photos.app.goo.gl/busr55ZpAmiwZBXU8 |
Right over left overlap. Wedge riveting. Watershed peining. Alternating solid and riveted rows. My guess would be German, perhaps 12-14th C.
Author: Bronze Age Military Equipment, Pen and Sword Books
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James Arlen Gillaspie
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I was thinking German before 1370. It strikes me as a bit light to be a primary defense, so I would put it late enough to have a coat of plates at least. I will add more photos of other parts. Another fellow who has a good reputation for historical mail thinks the collar is European 15th century added to a high quality Islamic shirt. Islamic mail with a smooth underside is new to me, unless imported/captured.
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Posted: Mon 01 Mar, 2021 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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The photo looks pretty dodgy and the description is wrong. It is physically impossible for it to have links made from 0.3mm wire and weigh 29 kg.
Author: Bronze Age Military Equipment, Pen and Sword Books
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Posted: Tue 02 Mar, 2021 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Dan Howard wrote: |
The photo looks pretty dodgy and the description is wrong. It is physically impossible for it to have links made from 0.3mm wire and weigh 29 kg. |
Not only 0.3 mm wire, but really damn wide rings too.
This wire doesn't look very thin at all, either.
Perhaps somebody'd just messed up some of the units?
29 pounds thus about 13 kg, and 0.3 cm wire would make way more sense.
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Posted: Fri 02 Jul, 2021 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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I've notified the user that this is likely Roman, as the riveted rings are wound in a left-hand helix, rather than the medieval right-hand helix. The square wire rivets also look Roman rather than XIII century.
ferrum ferro acuitur et homo exacuit faciem amici sui
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Len Parker
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Posted: Sun 09 Jan, 2022 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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14th century flattened mail from Grodno: https://vk.com/terra_teutonica?w=wall-11029306_108377 Looks similar to modern stuff only smaller.
Edit: They do sell 6mm ID that looks similar.
Edit: I think this is also being dated 13th century. Possibly an aventail.
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