While I'm not counting out the option for it to be actually medieval, if the boots are indeed leather, the sword, tall boots and rowel spurs make me thing 16th-17th century, not medieval. Still a really cool find though!
| Craig Johnson wrote: |
| Very nice bronze age sword find. Pretty incredible patina on the hilt. These swords are interesting and I am not sure I agree that a few bubbles in the casting dictate it was ceremonial. |
Really nice indeed! And I fully agree with you, making a casting without bubbles is pretty hard. Here at least the surface seems smooth. How many cavities one needs to render a sword unusable, no idea, but I'd guess that then they would show up at the surface as well.
But for some reason some archeologists stick to a "bronze swords are not weapons" theory which, I think, is absolute bollocks...
| Paul Hansen wrote: | ||
Really nice indeed! And I fully agree with you, making a casting without bubbles is pretty hard. Here at least the surface seems smooth. How many cavities one needs to render a sword unusable, no idea, but I'd guess that then they would show up at the surface as well. But for some reason some archeologists stick to a "bronze swords are not weapons" theory which, I think, is absolute bollocks... |
I totally agree Paul, these were definitely weapons of status, but weapons.
| Kai Lawson wrote: |
| While I'm not counting out the option for it to be actually medieval, if the boots are indeed leather, the sword, tall boots and rowel spurs make me thing 16th-17th century, not medieval. Still a really cool find though! |
The article does say 16th century, which may be considered the late Middle Ages in that part of Lithuania.
I had not seen news about this before, and a really nice paper in Spanish has just been published today.
"IBERO-ROMAN PERIOD WEAPONS FROM LIBISOSA (LEZUZA, ALBACETE, SPAIN)"
http://gladius.revistas.csic.es/index.php/gla...ew/326/331
"IBERO-ROMAN PERIOD WEAPONS FROM LIBISOSA (LEZUZA, ALBACETE, SPAIN)"
http://gladius.revistas.csic.es/index.php/gla...ew/326/331
| Iagoba Ferreira wrote: |
| I had not seen news about this before, and a really nice paper in Spanish has just been published today.
"IBERO-ROMAN PERIOD WEAPONS FROM LIBISOSA (LEZUZA, ALBACETE, SPAIN)" http://gladius.revistas.csic.es/index.php/gla...ew/326/331 |
HI Iagoba
That is very cool. I had not heard of this find either. It has some interesting pieces. I will have to translate some of the descriptions or at least an app will :-) Thanks for sharing.
| Craig Johnson wrote: |
| Check out this blurb from CNN
Roman-Germannia Battelfield Really like the nice artifacts. Best Craig More Battlefield |
For some reason neither of those links work for me... :(
This one is new to me and quite spectacular. It was found in early 2019 so I did a scan back to see if it was already posted but it doesn't appear to have been. It deserves a thread of its own TBH. It took 9 months of restoration work to reveal the dagger and sheath decorated in inlaid silver, red enamel, red glass, and niello. Absolutely stunning. Here are a few links with more information and pictures:
https://www.livescience.com/roman-iron-dagger-sheath.html
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/intern-unearthed-rare-roman-dagger-germany-1792347
More recently there was a group of 5 Roman spathae found in a 1500 yo house in Turkey. Not much info was published on these. Perhaps they are in poor condition. Hopefully more will come on this find.
https://www.livescience.com/ancient-house-turkey-puppy-prints.html
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https://www.livescience.com/roman-iron-dagger-sheath.html
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/intern-unearthed-rare-roman-dagger-germany-1792347
More recently there was a group of 5 Roman spathae found in a 1500 yo house in Turkey. Not much info was published on these. Perhaps they are in poor condition. Hopefully more will come on this find.
https://www.livescience.com/ancient-house-turkey-puppy-prints.html
Attachment: 46.08 KBSecond only to Christmas is the time of year when the Portable Antiquities Scheme's annual report comes out.
Literally a treasure trove of bits and pieces that can inspire and inform all sorts of armor and weapon projects and research. Plus its searchable :-)
Here is a cool article on a bit Knight emerging from a Snail Shell
But there are tons of things like this
Enjoy
Literally a treasure trove of bits and pieces that can inspire and inform all sorts of armor and weapon projects and research. Plus its searchable :-)
Here is a cool article on a bit Knight emerging from a Snail Shell
But there are tons of things like this
Enjoy
Not a weapon or armor but some info on how the warriors in Uppsala are buried. Interesting and quite comfortable I imagine.
Warrior's feather bed
Warrior's feather bed
Here is a very nice fins in Germany. Though I am not sure if the commentary about why things were disfigured is as cut and dried as they say.
Iron Age warriors bent the swords of their defeated enemies, ancient hoard reveals
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Iron Age warriors bent the swords of their defeated enemies, ancient hoard reveals
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Sword with scabbard, belt and two knives attached to the belt found near Olsztyn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3YiVctOjkw
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Unfortunately not much useful info right now, no data about dimensions, no context, no good pictures, or whatever but still very cool.
Sword looks XIIIa-ish, if I had to guess?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3YiVctOjkw
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Unfortunately not much useful info right now, no data about dimensions, no context, no good pictures, or whatever but still very cool.
Sword looks XIIIa-ish, if I had to guess?
| Craig Johnson wrote: |
| Here is a very nice fins in Germany. Though I am not sure if the commentary about why things were disfigured is as cut and dried as they say.
Iron Age warriors bent the swords of their defeated enemies, ancient hoard reveals [ Linked Image ] |
I'm not a big fan of metal detector enthousiasts digging up known archeological sites... :mad:
But the "ritual killing" of weapons seems a quite undisputed phenomenon (among archeologists) in Iron Age Europe.
| Paul Hansen wrote: |
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I'm not a big fan of metal detector enthousiasts digging up known archeological sites... :mad: |
I agree Paul. I think the whole thought of how we approach artifacts from the past could use a major rethink and adjustment in our minds. Sadly we do not have the power to change such things and I hope the concepts of reporting such finds and the recording and conservation of them is the focus rather than the treasure hunt aspect which loses all the context and knowledge one can gain from such finds.
Craig
An allegedly medieval mail shirt from Ireland
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0820/1241969-artefact-longford-museum/
I admit I have some doubts. Was it really buried in the ground for 800 years?
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0820/1241969-artefact-longford-museum/
I admit I have some doubts. Was it really buried in the ground for 800 years?
| Anthony Clipsom wrote: |
| An allegedly medieval mail shirt from Ireland
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0820/1241969-artefact-longford-museum/ I admit I have some doubts. Was it really buried in the ground for 800 years? |
I'm not sure either but, if authentic, would be a pretty huge discovery.
Ireland sure has some unique conditions for preserving artefacts in ground. If it was waterlogged and in anaerobic condition, I don't see why it couldn't have survived more or less intact - they found intact wooden kegs with butter inside from Bronze age!
| Blaz Berlec wrote: |
| Ireland sure has some unique conditions for preserving artefacts in ground. If it was waterlogged and in anaerobic condition, I don't see why it couldn't have survived more or less intact - they found intact wooden kegs with butter inside from Bronze age! |
Indeed. A visit to the National Museum in Dublin reveals a remarkable collection of bog finds. One thing that survives very badly in bogs, however, is iron. The report implies there isn't an identified find spot as yet, nor does it clarify how the shirt was dated. I trust the technical skill of the National Museum to sort this out, however, so look forward to further reports.
| Anthony Clipsom wrote: |
| An allegedly medieval mail shirt from Ireland
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0820/1241969-artefact-longford-museum/ I admit I have some doubts. Was it really buried in the ground for 800 years? |
No. The entire article is an embarrassingly perfect example of how NOT to identify "old things" (I refuse to call it an "artifact") that people bring in from some vague place. Apparently there was even a recent reenactment on the alleged find site just a few weeks ago, which corresponds frighteningly well with the level of corrosion (or "preservation", if you insist), as well as the use of BUTTED RINGS.
Now, I won't claim that it is "new", since a lot of us were making short-sleeved butted mailshirts back in the 1980s. And this one is clearly not one of the more recent riveted ones made in India, or the over-flattened joints for the rivets would be clearly visible.
For pity's sake, folks, this thing isn't even EIGHTY years old, much less 800.
Matthew
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