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PostPosted: Mon 28 Oct, 2019 5:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ian Hutchison wrote:
It is pretty sobering to realize that the proposed idea made it through the review process and out into academic literature...

This is what happens when you don't babysit arts grads Happy

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Nov, 2019 8:25 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hoard of parts of a hundred Viking swords found in Estonia, including mostly type H, also types V and E:
https://www.ibtimes.sg/archaeologists-unearth-100-viking-swords-northern-estonia-32702
http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/baltic_news/...p;output=d

One pay-walled article includes the following image that seems to match the description of many parts of type H swords:

Most English articles are running with the following image for some reason, often without disclosing that it comes from a different find of later medieval date, from Läänemaa:
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Nov, 2019 6:11 am    Post subject: Excellent find in Norway         Reply with quote

Excellent find in Norway using ground radar, ship burial in Edoy.
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Nov, 2019 6:52 am    Post subject: above ship burrial         Reply with quote

Wow - the LOA to Beam ratio looks wicked, more like a kayak ...
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Dec, 2019 6:28 am    Post subject: Roman Mail Found         Reply with quote

This is quite interesting a couple of elements of Roman Mail armor has been found under a fallen wall in a fort in Bulgaria. Here is link to article with images.

While they are in pretty bad shape they are impressive and seem to be mail over a leather base. This is a great find for those interested in this style of armor.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Dec, 2019 8:08 pm    Post subject: Wow Bronze shield parts         Reply with quote

This is spectacular. I do not think we have posted on this prior but its pretty amazing work.

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec, 2019 12:04 am    Post subject: Re: Roman Mail Found         Reply with quote

Craig Johnson wrote:
This is quite interesting a couple of elements of Roman Mail armor has been found under a fallen wall in a fort in Bulgaria. Here is link to article with images.

While they are in pretty bad shape they are impressive and seem to be mail over a leather base. This is a great find for those interested in this style of armor.



While a very interesting find of late roman armour..this article seems to me to be a bit of a mis-translation. It keeps referring to "mail" attached to leather. But if you read more..it's actually referring to "rectangular iron plates' attached to a leather undergarment in some way. To me, this is not mail in the normal sense, but something else. ? I suspect there's been a error in translation from the original language of the report into English ? What do others think ?
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec, 2019 12:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think you're right. Pictures like this:

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And this:



Appear to be hooped, or perhaps lamellar, armour rather than mail.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec, 2019 1:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

We are caught in a common trap. This is a piece written by a journalist, not a formal report by an archaeologist, archaeometallagist or whatever. It is therefore frustratingly lacking in the sort of information people here would be looking for.

The pictures seem to focuss on some quite large pieces, which I'd agree look like tubular arm armour and I'd possibly a segmented shoulder guard. But there are 6000 pieces, some of which are iron rectangles. It is possible that we have different components with different contruction methods e.g. tubular arm guards, shoulder pieces and perhaps a body of scales or lamellar.

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