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Len Parker · Posted: Wed 05 Dec, 2018 8:59 am Post subject:

Here's the site for this mail: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mail_armour_images_from_Livrustkammaren Most of these look eastern. That second mail pic I showed looks more like indian or late russian to me. There are other shirts here showing the same technique, where it looks like direct hammer to ring contact is happening.

Eric S · Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 5:39 pm Post subject:

Len Parker · Posted: Thu 10 Jan, 2019 12:26 pm Post subject:

What do you think of this: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/7881368072049373 "Lower body and sleeves are not riveted but soldered rings with round cross-section"

This might be the same shirt: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/124412008430633808 "each rivet reinforced with latten solder, the lower body and arms of butted rings similarly reinforced"

Len Parker · Posted: Thu 10 Jan, 2019 1:03 pm Post subject:

I found the shirt: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/7881368072049347 but no close-ups yet. The sleeves and bottom definitely look different.

Craig Peters · Posted: Thu 10 Jan, 2019 8:57 pm Post subject:

Len Parker · Posted: Fri 11 Jan, 2019 8:43 am Post subject:

I didn't get Eric's criticism. I thought he just being picky. Here's the wikimedia site with the larger sizes of that flattened mail: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pansarskjorte%C3%A4rm,_Alskogs_ka_-_Livrustkammaren_-_19343.tif I would say that it looks flattened. There is a slight bump around the rivet but not pronounced like it usually is. I don't know how to prove it's european other than it looks similar to the tofta coif.

Len Parker · Posted: Fri 11 Jan, 2019 10:37 am Post subject:

Here's the main page for all the links: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Historical_mail_armour

Eric S · Posted: Tue 05 Feb, 2019 3:48 pm Post subject:

Len Parker · Posted: Wed 24 Apr, 2019 6:57 am Post subject:

Looks like all butted from Sweden http://mis.historiska.se/mis/sok/bild.asp?uid=47828 Click on Stor for large size. Could be a patch but who knows.

Len Parker · Posted: Fri 26 Apr, 2019 5:20 am Post subject:

Take a look at this: http://mis.historiska.se/mis/sok/bild.asp?uid=47815 I think I'm seeing all riveted. It's from a viking grave in Gotland. Click Stor for large size.

Dan Howard · Posted: Fri 26 Apr, 2019 6:05 am Post subject:

Need a much bigger photo than that.

Matthew Amt · Posted: Fri 26 Apr, 2019 6:37 am Post subject:

Len Parker · Posted: Fri 26 Apr, 2019 8:08 am Post subject:

Dan, click on Stor and you can make it as big as you want. Matthew, I'm seeing a break on every one of those rings.
I got another one for you. This one says 3rd century Roman. Looks all riveted, and a couple of rings look like overlaps are going from right to left: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fragments_of_ancient_Roman_mail_armor_(_3rd_century_AD_).jpg

Matthew Amt · Posted: Fri 26 Apr, 2019 8:21 am Post subject:

Yeah, Erik Schmid noted that Roman mail overlapped backwards from medieval mail. Drove him crazy reproducing it, of course, because he basically had to do everything left-handed!

Matthew

Len Parker · Posted: Fri 26 Apr, 2019 11:29 am Post subject:

No Matthew, the opposite. I'm saying I think this mail is like medieval mail, not roman. Look at the center of the left section of mail. I think there's a single ring showing this.

Mart Shearer · Posted: Fri 26 Apr, 2019 3:33 pm Post subject:

I agree, Len. It appears to be right-hand helix, typical medieval.

Dan Howard · Posted: Fri 26 Apr, 2019 3:36 pm Post subject:

Dan Howard · Posted: Fri 26 Apr, 2019 3:40 pm Post subject:

Matthew Amt · Posted: Fri 26 Apr, 2019 5:29 pm Post subject:

Len Parker · Posted: Sun 20 Sep, 2020 6:47 am Post subject:

Any thoughts on this bascinet with butted mail: https://books.google.com/books?id=dm0_AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA354#v=onepage&q&f=false The rings are 5/8" wide. Judging from the drawing the wire looks about an 1/8" thick. Also, what about those welded rings below?

Edit: Wanted to correct myself. If those butted rings were 5/8" the wire thickness would be more like 12 gauge SWG