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Will L.
Location: United States Joined: 04 Oct 2018
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Posted: Fri 30 Nov, 2018 2:44 pm Post subject: Thoughts on Viking Age Blade |
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Hello,
I'm currently looking at a supposedly Viking Age sword blade. Images attached. I wanted to get the forum's thoughts on authenticity. I'm new to collecting and I have to start somewhere, but I've been astounded by the number of complete and composite fakes in circulation, even at the major auction houses.
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T. Kew
Location: London, UK Joined: 21 Apr 2012
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Posted: Fri 30 Nov, 2018 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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My gut feeling (although I'm not a huge expert here) is that this is modern mass-produced 'damascus'/pattern-welded steel, ground to shape and artificially aged. The particular pattern feels like the result of making a very large billet with a power hammer and then cutting sections to make blades from, which isn't how Viking-era swords would have been made. In addition, the pattern goes right to the edge, but generally pattern-welded swords from this period have separate edges attached to the core of the blade.
HEMA fencer and coach, New Cross Historical Fencing
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Will L.
Location: United States Joined: 04 Oct 2018
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Posted: Fri 30 Nov, 2018 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting. Thank you for the input. I had the general feeling without specific knowledge about the process that you handily described!
I've only seen one edge-to-edge pattern-welded Viking age sword in the literature: the Met Sword. But the Met doesn't have high enough resolution images to see the edge pattern welds and, regardless, it doesn't look like this sword.
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T. Kew
Location: London, UK Joined: 21 Apr 2012
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Posted: Fri 30 Nov, 2018 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a couple of random modern examples off eBay. Both show the same sort of wide twist pattern, although the blade grind on the example you've posted seems more reasonable. What you can see straight away is how the blade has been made from a piece of steel that was twisted and shaped as a single unit - the diagonal stripes are where twists were put into the billet.
HEMA fencer and coach, New Cross Historical Fencing
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Tim Lison
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Posted: Fri 30 Nov, 2018 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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I agree about the pattern. It’s not a historical technique at all. Do you have pictures of the sword in its entirety? Also, does the blade have distal taper? Real swords would have this feature. A pic of the blade side on would help determine it....
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Peter Berbiers
Location: Flanders Joined: 08 Nov 2004
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Posted: Sat 01 Dec, 2018 7:10 am Post subject: |
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If this would be real, it would be in a remarkable state of preservation.
Lots of Viking swords have been found but few of them are in this condition.
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Will L.
Location: United States Joined: 04 Oct 2018
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Posted: Tue 04 Dec, 2018 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you to all who replied for your help. I think I'm letting my desire to purchase an interesting sword put blinders on my judgment. The hilt is very historical looking and reminiscent of the Ljudota Sword, which also helped me ignore the problems with the blade.
I also couldn't find this type of pattern in any of the literature. And, after further research, I found 38" damascene billets on Alibaba. The length of this sword and the swords Mr. Kew posted? 38".
My search continues! And if anyone has a bridge in Brooklyn they're looking to sell in the meantime, then I'm obviously your man!
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Juraj S
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Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Has there ever been a viking age sword found where the pattern would be uninterrupted from the core all the way to the outer edge? It seems to defy my understanding of the purpose of pattern welding.
I have always thought you would have a soft & hard core (the mixture of soft and hard causing the pattern) and then you would have the hard edges welded onto the core, which means you have (at least) two different patterns, one at the edges and the other (more or less) in the fuller.
In this case it would seem that the part of the pattern which is made of the soft iron extends to the cutting edge which should mean an edge which is soft in places and hard in others.
Please correct me if I´m wrong.
Thank you.
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Jean Thibodeau
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