Posts: 42
Thu 30 Aug, 2018 12:52 pm
Shorten Viking sword?
What do you think about shorten this viking sword it¨s 98cm
I want it 75cm 78cm
But what to do with the blodgrove?
Any one know seller short viking svord? around 200$
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Posts: 42
Thu 30 Aug, 2018 4:53 pm
It is my first sword didn't realize they was so long.
Any suggestion?
Posts: 626 Location: Louisiana / Nordrhein-Westholland
Thu 30 Aug, 2018 8:31 pm
You could shorten it. There are historical examples of swords which have been shortened and which have been re-pointed after breaking. The fuller should not be much of a problem since the type X is a cutting blade anyway.
Posts: 8,310 Location: Montreal,Quebec,Canada
Thu 30 Aug, 2018 10:10 pm
Instead of cutting the point to shorten the sword to make it shorter why not work in reverse, remove the hilt furniture and handle, recut on the handle side.
Cut of the tang and regrind the blade into a new tang that can fit into the guard, remount the handle if still intact or make a new handle, then the pommel and re-peen.
If the blade is very very hard heat the tang to blue, wrap the blade with wet cloth so as to not soften the blade past the new blade shoulders. ( Heating to blue should soften the new tang so that it wont be brittle, but stop as soon as it starts to turn blue or stop before it turns blue and is still straw colour nearer to the blade shoulders ? )
Now this may be more difficult to do than simply cutting the blade short at the tip end.
Now some of the professionals on this site may add some advice about how to do the above better than I can as I'm mostly thinking out loud how I might do it as I've not done such a job myself to shorten a blade ..... so it's just a suggestion.
To do any of this it takes a steady hand on the sword using a belt sander to reprofile the tang, or a steady hand using an angle grinder with the blade clamped in a vice: If you have never done this or not have the skills to do this it might be a good idea to practice using a bar of mild steel before trying to do it on the sword: I have some skill with power tools but I personally would find it challenging.
Posts: 2 Location: Germany
Fri 31 Aug, 2018 3:13 am
Hi everybody,
I was once planning to do what you just proposed, Jean. Then i noticed to shorten a fullered blade via tang will most likely create a weak point, since you will end up having a very thin part close to the guard. As far as i know, in historical pieces the fuller usually does not go too far up/down the tang.
Posts: 8,310 Location: Montreal,Quebec,Canada
Fri 31 Aug, 2018 10:40 am
B Beythien wrote: |
Hi everybody,
I was once planning to do what you just proposed, Jean. Then i noticed to shorten a fullered blade via tang will most likely create a weak point, since you will end up having a very thin part close to the guard. As far as i know, in historical pieces the fuller usually does not go too far up/down the tang. |
Good point about the fuller, and more so if the fuller is very wide, a narrow fuller and a wide at the sword's shoulder tang could still have the sides of the tang at the maximum thickness of the blade on each side of the fuller.
Some fullers do continue into the tang but the tangs do have to be wider than the fullers to not create a too thin tang as you mention.
And yes the type of alterations I suggested is not for a beginner and very dependent on the blade type, a diamond shape blade with a thick center ridge would work for this kind of alterations.
Posts: 42
Mon 03 Sep, 2018 3:58 pm
What Should i do with the fuller. If i cut the blade at middle?
Posts: 201 Location: Los Angeles
Mon 03 Sep, 2018 7:11 pm
If you cut the blade in the middle you are going to have to reprofile the tip. If you’re good with a grinder, or one of your friends is, you can carefully blend the fuller into the new tip without trashing the heat treat. It’s probably always going to look like a post-forging alteration.. I have a Katz balger that used to be a claymor until the owner of said claymor broke it
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DBZ7_b_EvLR07D_cQ0gDubach4zyxqVa
Posts: 42
Mon 03 Sep, 2018 10:51 pm
Lloyd Winter wrote: |
If you cut the blade in the middle you are going to have to reprofile the tip. If you’re good with a grinder, or one of your friends is, you can carefully blend the fuller into the new tip without trashing the heat treat. It’s probably always going to look like a post-forging alteration.. I have a Katz balger that used to be a claymor until the owner of said claymor broke it
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DBZ7_b_EvLR07D_cQ0gDubach4zyxqVa |
Thanks!
Posts: 42
Thu 06 Sep, 2018 7:54 am
Hi what do you Think i fint want to thin out the fuller it is get to tin dangerus
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Posts: 42
Thu 06 Sep, 2018 10:13 am
Do you trust in reactment or dont do it? To dangerus?
Posts: 102 Location: Norway
Fri 07 Sep, 2018 2:30 pm
Yes, we thrust in reenactment, although it might depend on the rules of the local group. Are you a member of a group or do you plan to join one? Different groups may have variations on their rules. But generally a 2mm edge with a point rounded like a coin is considered safe.
Question though, why do you want to shorten the blade? 98 cm is probably about the most common length on most single handed swords I've dealt with, if you shorten it you'll be at a severe disadvantage meeting a majority of reenactors.
Posts: 42
Sat 08 Sep, 2018 10:22 am
Baard H wrote: |
Yes, we thrust in reenactment, although it might depend on the rules of the local group. Are you a member of a group or do you plan to join one? Different groups may have variations on their rules. But generally a 2mm edge with a point rounded like a coin is considered safe.
Question though, why do you want to shorten the blade? 98 cm is probably about the most common length on most single handed swords I've dealt with, if you shorten it you'll be at a severe disadvantage meeting a majority of reenactors. |
No have not find a Group.
Tought i be more safe with short sword. It feel to havy. Oh god i cant spell.
Posts: 42
Sun 16 Sep, 2018 8:23 am
It got perfect not so clumpsy anymore it feels perfect
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Posts: 102 Location: Norway
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 9:50 am
If it was too heavy, grinding off excess weight without taking down the length would have been better, although it would require a lot of skill and/or luck to not screw it up.
Posts: 42
Sat 22 Sep, 2018 11:19 am
Baard H wrote: |
If it was too heavy, grinding off excess weight without taking down the length would have been better, although it would require a lot of skill and/or luck to not screw it up. |
no think its get to dangerous thin it don't get safe two mm if the fuller is gone
Posts: 102 Location: Norway
Sun 07 Oct, 2018 11:36 am
Yes you need to keep the edge 2mm, but you don't thake away the mass there. If you take mass away you're usually taking it from the thick parts of the center.
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