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Robert Sorrick
Location: wv Joined: 28 Jan 2018
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 Posted: Sun 04 Feb, 2018 10:14 am Post subject: sword identification |
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Cleaning out my girlsfriends mom's house after she passed away and found an old sword. Looked online for information. best I could guess was a late 1700s calvary sword. just a guess. nothing engraved that we can see. please help with the identification of this sword.
I have attatched a few pictures.
also, would it be ok to use electrolysis to clean the sword?
any help would be appreciated.
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Scott Kowalski
Location: Oak Lawn, IL USA Joined: 24 Nov 2006
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Hello Robert, I cannot help with identification as this is out of my era of interest. I would suggest waiting on doing any type of cleaning to the sword until it is identified as either an antique or a reproduction. If it is a reproduction it could be worth more to a collector in its present state then in any kind of reconditioned state. Sorry that I could not be of more assistance.
Chris Landwehr 10/10/49-1/1/09 My Mom
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Mark Moore
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Yep, don't do anything to it until you get some authenticity verification. The grip looks...strange. But, as Scott said...this is not my area of expertise. That's a nice find though!  .....McM
''Life is like a box of chocolates...'' --- F. Gump
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Lin Robinson
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I will echo the remarks of others. Do not do anything to it at this point.
Are there any markings on the blade, guard, pommel or any other area of the sword?
Lin Robinson
"The best thing in life is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women." Conan the Barbarian, 1982
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Steve Fabert
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The 1796 pattern cavalry saber was copied by a number of countries, including the US. So unless the sword has identifying markings it may be difficult if not impossible to determine a country of origin.
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Glen A Cleeton
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Needs better straight on well lit pictures of the sword.
It is a fallacy to lump all p guard swords into the 1796 category.
Without better pictures showing the true condition is a bit like playing blind man's bluff. There are lots of methods but I would avoid electrolysis.
Let's start with good clear pictures and some dimensions (straight line butt to blade tip for a start)
I have a silver station wagon. Can you tell me when it last got an oil change? That's kind of how the original inquiry reads to me. The picture is kind of useless aside saying, yes you have a sword that could be from the late 18th century.
Cheers
GC
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Glen A Cleeton
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FWIW, I place it a little later than the Napoleonic era, German made/influences and probably meant for one of the various states. Not meant for the American market without some other provenance. Thousands of swords were brought back after both big wars.
The exaggerated P guard is fairly early in the grand scheme of things but the blade and guard fitment could mean an earlier pre 1816 sword. Need clear pictures of those facets. The grip shows some material loss and we need to see all of that. I'd bet more like the 1820s.
Cheers
GC
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Jordan E. Williams
Location: California Joined: 25 Mar 2016
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| Robert Sorrick wrote: | Cleaning out my girlsfriends mom's house after she passed away and found an old sword. Looked online for information. best I could guess was a late 1700s calvary sword. just a guess. nothing engraved that we can see. please help with the identification of this sword.
I have attatched a few pictures.
also, would it be ok to use electrolysis to clean the sword?
any help would be appreciated. |
Don't use electrolysis. High chance of ruining the steel and making it brittle. If you want to clean it use a 3m 150 grit sanding sponge with lots of 3 in 1 oil, followed by very high grit automotive papers and more 3 in 1 in one oil. Won't be worth very much cleaned or uncleaned it looks like.
His Imperial and Royal Majesty Hordan Vilhelm the Great, by the Grace of God, German Emperor and King of Prussia, Margrave of Brandenburg, Burgrave of Nuremberg, Count of Hohenzollern, Duke of Silesia and of the County of Glatz, Grand Duke of the Lower Rhine!
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Geoffroy Gautier
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This is a standard topic
