Even muskets fired arrows. Musket arrows survive in inventories well into the 1620s, or perhaps even into the English Civil War era.

So after many month of planning and priortising other things here is my first experimental fleched javellin. ... Now I have to try it on different material and se what kind of shaft and technique of throwing is best...

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Looks wonderful! I have a feeling that thing is going to be impressive. The cats are getting ideas.

Interesting findings! I'd be very interested to try to throw one of them.
Can you please tell me where this picture is from?

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Herbert S.

I would say it came from Northern Italy, around 1400.

Mac

Thank you - could you be more specific?
Don't you know the manuscript?

Thank you!

Herbert

Edit: I found it: http://tinyurl.com/qywm9zc

Herbert,

I don't recognize the manuscript. I based my reply on stylistic grounds.

It closely resembles the illustrations from some of the tacuina sanitatis that were made in Northern Italy around the turn of the 14/15th C.

Here is a link to a Google image search that will show you what I mean. https://www.google.com/search?q=tacuinum+sanitatis&client=firefox-a&hs=1jE&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=XsI1UqeMA4W84AOS0ICoDQ&ved=0CDIQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=768&dpr=1


Sorry,
Mac

I just saw your link.

It is almost certainly from the "Paris" tacuinum. The red border is distinctive....

Mac

....I wrote the last post in a hurry, but now I am back.

Now that I have a minute to actually read the stuff on the page you linked to, I see that my post above was superfluous. I guess the lessen is to not post until I have read everything.

Mac

Hi all,

I had to make one to find out what it was about - I posted a vid here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJotBsrqbwI&t=200s

Regards

Tod

Nice one Tod. Have you tried hitting a target? Do these things penetrate better or worse than a regular javelin?

Okay....I'm sold. New project on the horizon. My one year old great niece's name is Etta Arrow Steele....I think Etta needs an arrow to play with....in about 15 years. No rush! :D :lol: .....McM

Someone recently linked me to a series of tapestries made in 1481 depicting the Portuguese Siege of Arzila:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Landing_at_Asilah.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/O_Cerco_de_Arzila_(Tape%C3%A7aria_de_Pastrana).jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Assault_on_Asilah.jpg

Many of the defenders are using these weapons and it makes sense that they would be thrown from walls where they would have extra range and power. Although a handful of the portugese can be seen carrying them as well. I think we had another discussion recently about whether the spanish Jinetes and Rodeleros were armed with throwing weapons in the 15th century, maybe these weapons would have been more common in ibera?

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That's an awesome reproduction Tod! how much does it weigh?

Also, while not a feathered javelin there is an illustration of an irish warrior using a throwing string from the mid 1500s:

http://warfare.ihostfull.com/Renaissance/Codice_De_Trajes-64v.htm

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Thanks for the feedback guys.

Interesting weapon this and I will do another video where I throw it at something and I will look again at throwing strings.

Tod

I don't see where the Portuguese troops have them?

Thanks,

John

Henry O. wrote:

Someone recently linked me to a series of tapestries made in 1481 depicting the Portuguese Siege of Arzila: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Landing_at_Asilah.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/O_Cerco_de_Arzila_(Tape%C3%A7aria_de_Pastrana).jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Assault_on_Asilah.jpg Many of the defenders are using these weapons and it makes sense that they would be thrown from walls where they would have extra range and power. Although a handful of the portugese can be seen carrying them as well. I think we had another discussion recently about whether the spanish Jinetes and Rodeleros were armed with throwing weapons in the 15th century, maybe these weapons would have been more common in ibera? - That's an awesome reproduction Tod! how much does it weigh? Also, while not a feathered javelin there is an illustration of an irish warrior using a throwing string from the mid 1500s: http://warfare.ihostfull.com/Renaissance/Codice_De_Trajes-64v.htm [ Linked Image ]