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PostPosted: Wed 26 Dec, 2012 8:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Even muskets fired arrows. Musket arrows survive in inventories well into the 1620s, or perhaps even into the English Civil War era.
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Sep, 2013 8:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

So after many month of planning and priortising other things here is my first experimental fleched javellin. ... Now I have to try it on different material and se what kind of shaft and technique of throwing is best...


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Sep, 2013 9:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looks wonderful! I have a feeling that thing is going to be impressive. The cats are getting ideas.
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Sep, 2013 10:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Interesting findings! I'd be very interested to try to throw one of them.
Can you please tell me where this picture is from?



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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 1:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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I would say it came from Northern Italy, around 1400.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep, 2013 11:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you - could you be more specific?
Don't you know the manuscript?

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Edit: I found it: http://tinyurl.com/qywm9zc

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Sep, 2013 7:06 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Herbert,

I don't recognize the manuscript. I based my reply on stylistic grounds.

It closely resembles the illustrations from some of the tacuina sanitatis that were made in Northern Italy around the turn of the 14/15th C.

Here is a link to a Google image search that will show you what I mean. https://www.google.com/search?q=tacuinum+sanitatis&client=firefox-a&hs=1jE&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=XsI1UqeMA4W84AOS0ICoDQ&ved=0CDIQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=768&dpr=1


Sorry,
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Sep, 2013 7:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I just saw your link.

It is almost certainly from the "Paris" tacuinum. The red border is distinctive....

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Sep, 2013 8:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

....I wrote the last post in a hurry, but now I am back.

Now that I have a minute to actually read the stuff on the page you linked to, I see that my post above was superfluous. I guess the lessen is to not post until I have read everything.

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jan, 2018 2:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi all,

I had to make one to find out what it was about - I posted a vid here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJotBsrqbwI&t=200s

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jan, 2018 5:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nice one Tod. Have you tried hitting a target? Do these things penetrate better or worse than a regular javelin?
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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jan, 2018 5:26 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Okay....I'm sold. New project on the horizon. My one year old great niece's name is Etta Arrow Steele....I think Etta needs an arrow to play with....in about 15 years. No rush! Big Grin Laughing Out Loud .....McM
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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jan, 2018 10:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Someone recently linked me to a series of tapestries made in 1481 depicting the Portuguese Siege of Arzila:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Landing_at_Asilah.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/O_Cerco_de_Arzila_(Tape%C3%A7aria_de_Pastrana).jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Assault_on_Asilah.jpg

Many of the defenders are using these weapons and it makes sense that they would be thrown from walls where they would have extra range and power. Although a handful of the portugese can be seen carrying them as well. I think we had another discussion recently about whether the spanish Jinetes and Rodeleros were armed with throwing weapons in the 15th century, maybe these weapons would have been more common in ibera?

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That's an awesome reproduction Tod! how much does it weigh?

Also, while not a feathered javelin there is an illustration of an irish warrior using a throwing string from the mid 1500s:

http://warfare.ihostfull.com/Renaissance/Codice_De_Trajes-64v.htm

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jan, 2018 12:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback guys.

Interesting weapon this and I will do another video where I throw it at something and I will look again at throwing strings.

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jan, 2018 12:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark Moore wrote:
Okay....I'm sold. New project on the horizon. My one year old great niece's name is Etta Arrow Steele....I think Etta needs an arrow to play with....in about 15 years. No rush! Big Grin Laughing Out Loud .....McM


15 years? You have to start them young. Get them indoctrinated before they get distracted by electronic gadgets and boys.

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jan, 2018 1:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

William P wrote:
I would very much imagine that accuracy would be the reason for it. Fletching, as we all know, stabilises a missiles flightpath.

My understanding is that the aztecs may have used it as well.

However what I want to know is WHO is being depicted in each picture, One of them shows a soldier in the spanish army as part of a battle against the english. Some of the people in the art look distinctly oriental/ middle eastern,

However the one that is a close up of an armoured hand holding the dart, the second last image on the first post, That one I can confirm is Austrian.



The Atlatl, extremely accurate, and an easy grouping in about circle of four feet at range of 60 yards. Clout anyone?

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