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Martin Buckley
Location: Wales, U.K. Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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 Posted: Sat 26 Aug, 2017 6:35 am Post subject: Another possible hit for the sword collecting community. |
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With ever tightening restriction of the buying of swords (and especially importing them from outside the EU) the terror attack outside Buckingham Palace last night can only be bad news. I really fear for our community if there are many more incidents like this. I've included the details below.
A man arrested outside Buckingham Palace armed with a 4ft sword repeatedly shouted “Allahu Akbar” as police struggled to subdue him, Scotland Yard has said.
Three unarmed officers were injured – two with cuts to their hands – while detaining the man just after 8.30pm on Friday. Police are treating the incident as suspected terrorism.
Scotland Yard said the man drove at a police van just outside Buckingham Palace in a blue Toyota Prius, and stopped.
Officers subdued the suspect, a 26-year-old from Luton, Bedfordshire, with CS spray.
A Metropolitan police statement said: “Just after 8.30pm [on Friday], a car deliberately drove at a police van and stopped in front of it in a restricted area on Constitution Hill near Buckingham Palace.
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Fisher Lobdell
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| Posted: Sat 26 Aug, 2017 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Just an other way these terrorists are ruining our communities and our heritage. 
"Absence of evidence is not necessarily the evedence of Absence." Ewart Oakeshotte.
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Gregg Sobocinski
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| Posted: Sat 26 Aug, 2017 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's lazy to label him a terrorist until you rule out that he's just plain crazy. There's still plenty of crazy in the world, you know.
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Graham Shearlaw
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| Posted: Sat 26 Aug, 2017 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Fortuity we all ready have the forces to deal with these nutters.
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Rick F
Location: England, UK Joined: 15 Jun 2017
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| Posted: Sun 27 Aug, 2017 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Great, that's all we need right now. With the impending parliamentary debate on further restricting and banning simple knives, this just plays right into their grubby hands as a way to justify even more bans.
Does anyone in a more sensible country have a spare bedroom? with room for a few swords too... oh, and my wife.
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Lance Morris
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| Posted: Sun 27 Aug, 2017 8:30 am Post subject: News |
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Hey guys
I kinda chuckled to myself
If that was in the states it wouldn't have made the news
Most gun murders don't even make the news in LA
Would have been a short story here to
Man stops van in from if cops
Draws a sword - shouts alluho Akbar
Man gets shot
Black man stops van
Gets shot.... :/
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Mark Moore
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| Posted: Sun 27 Aug, 2017 9:11 am Post subject: |
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I was going to add something along those lines. Yes, if that happened in the US, it would just be a scribble buried in the back of the newspaper...if it made it at all. And, yes, the guy would probably be laying on a slab in the morgue right now. The saying is true though--Guns (and swords) don't kill people...people kill people.  .....McM
''Life is like a box of chocolates...'' --- F. Gump
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Gregory T Kallok
Location: Northern Virginia Joined: 10 Jul 2017
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| Posted: Sun 27 Aug, 2017 11:40 am Post subject: |
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It is a really sad fact that no matter what a goverment legislation is passed, "determined" attacker will try or succeed or both. In the states the cities with the MOST gun control like LA, NEW YORK and BALTIMORE HAVE some of the highest if NOT highest murder rates per capita. I fear for our English friends because the storm is coming and you have no place to go. If it was me , I would get what I need for protection, tell no one and smile knowing I may "fall" but I'm going down fighting
Keep your nose in the Wind and your eye on the skyline.
Del Q
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Erold Cruz
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| Posted: Sun 27 Aug, 2017 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Should've binned that knife!
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Mark Moore
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| Posted: Sun 27 Aug, 2017 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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That is truly pathetic. Don't they know that if they take weapons away from good, responsible folk (collectors), then only the criminal element and the crazies will have them? Same reason as Americans are against firearms bans. A criminal or nut-job can get any weapon they want, any time. I'm still shocked over the state of Texas repealing the blade-carry laws! I sure didn't see THAT ONE coming. Gonna be interesting times here in the Lone Star state.  .....McM
''Life is like a box of chocolates...'' --- F. Gump
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Ben Joy
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| Posted: Sun 27 Aug, 2017 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Gregg Sobocinski wrote: | | I think it's lazy to label him a terrorist until you rule out that he's just plain crazy. There's still plenty of crazy in the world, you know. |
A crazy isn't a man of a certain faith shouting out a certain war cry that goes along with a certain form of religious war specifically targeting people of the "enemy authority" in order to kill them and try to die in a way that their religion states will send them immediately to heaven. That's terrorism, period. It doesn't matter if he's acting alone, on behalf of some cause, or if he's a member of an extremist group . . . it's still terrorism. Trying to ignore that is what has opened up so many problems for the "Western World" in the first place.
On the other hand, a crazy is someone who would stride up to Buckingham Palace dressed as Napoleon, claiming that he's ready with his army at the fields of Agincourt because he's spread around a bunch of seed and attracted all of the pigeons to the Palace lawn, which he's claiming to be the reincarnation of the Death Star. Then he gets into a fight with the authorities, and wounds several of them with his saber, when they try to escort him away and inform him he's not Napoleon, this isn't Agincourt, and they're not going to leave him alone because he used a Jedi mind trick on them.
| Mark C. Moore wrote: | | That is truly pathetic. Don't they know that if they take weapons away from good, responsible folk (collectors), then only the criminal element and the crazies will have them? Same reason as Americans are against firearms bans. A criminal or nut-job can get any weapon they want, any time. I'm still shocked over the state of Texas repealing the blade-carry laws! I sure didn't see THAT ONE coming. Gonna be interesting times here in the Lone Star state. .....McM |
Too true. Oh, and I'm thrilled that Texas removed those limitations on blade carrying. I wish more states would follow suite. I'd love to be able to wear a sword everywhere I went. It'd be a nice pairing with my other more modern carry weapon. That move is pushing TX back up my "I want to move there" list.
| Gregory T Kallok wrote: | | It is a really sad fact that no matter what a government legislation is passed, "determined" attacker will try or succeed or both. In the states the cities with the MOST gun control like LA, NEW YORK and BALTIMORE HAVE some of the highest if NOT highest murder rates per capita. I fear for our English friends because the storm is coming and you have no place to go. If it was me , I would get what I need for protection, tell no one and smile knowing I may "fall" but I'm going down fighting |
Amen, and far too true. Sadly, it's a plague troubling all of Europe, at this point, and they really have nothing to thank for it but their own governments and political correctness. At least some are starting to fight back.
The other terrible part is that there are plenty of dominating vultures (because it has nothing to do with preventing violence, but rendering the people helpless to their commands) who will probably try to use this to their advantage as a weapon to manipulating people into believing that their motives are altruistic. The same thing happens anytime in the US when there is some sort of mass shooting or terroristic violence.
"Men take only their needs into consideration, never their abilities." -Napoleon Bonaparte
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Lance Morris
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| Posted: Sun 27 Aug, 2017 5:49 pm Post subject: Lol |
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Gregory!!!
What you consider strict guns laws in La and such. Are not at all strict lol
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Ben Joy
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| Posted: Sun 27 Aug, 2017 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Lol |
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| Lance Morris wrote: | Gregory!!!
What you consider strict guns laws in La and such. Are not at all strict lol |
I believe he was referring to L.A. as in Las Angeles . . . the city . . . since he's also referring to other cities in the same sentence. Las Angeles does, in fact, have extremely strict gun control laws and one of the worst crime rates in the nation.
LA as in Louisiana, on the other hand, does not have strict gun control laws and also has a much lower crime rate. I'm going to presume that's what you're referring to in your statement, because if you think that Los Angeles doesn't have strict gun control laws you're terribly mistaken.
"Men take only their needs into consideration, never their abilities." -Napoleon Bonaparte
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Gregory T Kallok
Location: Northern Virginia Joined: 10 Jul 2017
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| Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 9:21 am Post subject: |
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I should have proofed my message better so all apologies. Yes indeed , I did mean to say. L.A. as in Los Angels and New York City. Again, a Islamic terrorist or Christian terrorist or Pagan terrorist bent on evil will find a means to do it . Killing is easy, what is hard is to learn to love and live with All people and faiths. I pray that that a day will come when we ALL can laugh with each other and not AT our differences. Either way God will sort us out!
Keep your nose in the Wind and your eye on the skyline.
Del Q
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Leo Todeschini
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| Posted: Mon 28 Aug, 2017 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Clearly this is a very emotive area and one that has been debated endlessly so there is very little that I can add that will not elicit a strong response from one party or another.
However as you point out, Europe as a whole has pretty strict rules about firearms and knives, what you can have and where you can have them. Europe is not a fully coherent body so rules are different in different places, but basically it is strict. On the whole, the vast majority of people support this and are very happy with it - we may be wrong, but we like it.
In the US you have more liberal rules and in some States you have 'open carry' a situation that bar hunters in the countryside here, is beyond understanding to most Europeans, but a series of laws that (presumably) most Americans are happy with - you may be wrong, but you like it.
The two outlooks are poles apart. but I guess both have their merits, but the largest part is what you are used to.
When the world falls apart what will we `Europeans do? Well firstly in a very comfy way, we pretty much believe that everything will be alright on a fairly permanent basis and secondly there are very few weapons with which to be attacked.
Getting back to the original point though, yes another crazy with a sword is something we could do without over here.
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Ben Joy
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| Posted: Tue 29 Aug, 2017 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Leo Todeschini wrote: | Clearly this is a very emotive area and one that has been debated endlessly so there is very little that I can add that will not elicit a strong response from one party or another.
However as you point out, Europe as a whole has pretty strict rules about firearms and knives, what you can have and where you can have them. Europe is not a fully coherent body so rules are different in different places, but basically it is strict. On the whole, the vast majority of people support this and are very happy with it - we may be wrong, but we like it.
In the US you have more liberal rules and in some States you have 'open carry' a situation that bar hunters in the countryside here, is beyond understanding to most Europeans, but a series of laws that (presumably) most Americans are happy with - you may be wrong, but you like it.
The two outlooks are poles apart. but I guess both have their merits, but the largest part is what you are used to.
When the world falls apart what will we `Europeans do? Well firstly in a very comfy way, we pretty much believe that everything will be alright on a fairly permanent basis and secondly there are very few weapons with which to be attacked.
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The issue that's being proven is the point that's being espoused by several of us: people who want to do evil WILL do evil, regardless of what the law says. The gun laws didn't stop the recent Paris shooter, for example, just as blade laws didn't stop this person from doing what he wanted to do. When you create laws that do nothing but inhibit the law-abiding populace, then you're openly inviting the criminal -or in this case terrorist- element to enact what they wish without resistance.
I mean, what's next? Outlawing civilians from driving cars because the terrorists have been utilizing them as weapons to drive into crowds of people? The potential knee-jerk backlash that people like the OP are afraid of doesn't actually help the problems at hand.
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Getting back to the original point though, yes another crazy with a sword is something we could do without over here.
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Except, sadly, he wasn't a "crazy". He was an evil person with evil intentions. Labeling someone like that as a "crazy" is being dismissive of the actual root of the problem; and that in turn just invites in other issues, like the potential for even stricter "blade laws" that will make it harder for collectors, reenactors, or even researchers to do what they want. That kind of reaction doesn't stop the terrorists from committing terroristic acts, as their actions are proving over and over again around the world.
"Men take only their needs into consideration, never their abilities." -Napoleon Bonaparte
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