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Pedro Paulo Gaião




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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep, 2016 3:40 pm    Post subject: Historical Evidence for these Unusual Sallet?         Reply with quote

I've been playing Witcher 2 and noticed the recurrence of a certain type of sallet which I had seen before in a book of the Osprey (The Swiss at War). It display the shape of an inverted "V" and has its angled front. I'm not sure if it exists, but I believe it can be an unusual version of something that was fashionable in Burgundy. What do you think?

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Swiss Halberdiers (sallet on the right):
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep, 2016 6:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've never seen one exactly like that. It being in a video game, I presume there is a bit of fantasy there. The one in your last photo is probably historic. I'm more interested in the little fellow on the left with the horns! Laughing Out Loud .....McM
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep, 2016 8:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark Moore wrote:
I'm more interested in the little fellow on the left with the horns! Laughing Out Loud .....McM

That would be the horn blower of the Canton of Uri, whose heraldry uses canting arms with the head of the aurochs. The Osprey image is based on a miniature in the Illustrated Chronicle by Diebold Schilling of 1513.
http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/kol/S0023-2/200/0/Sequence-1494



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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep, 2016 12:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I consider myself educated. Thanks, Matt..............McM
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Pedro Paulo Gaião




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PostPosted: Sat 08 Apr, 2017 3:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark Moore wrote:
I've never seen one exactly like that. It being in a video game, I presume there is a bit of fantasy there.


Not at all. I was digging up some armor in the internet and actually find this gothic suit of plate harness (1484) belonging to Sigismund, archduke of Austria. It was made by a famous er at Augsburg:



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PostPosted: Sun 09 Apr, 2017 9:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Pedro Paulo Gaião wrote:
Mark Moore wrote:
I've never seen one exactly like that. It being in a video game, I presume there is a bit of fantasy there.


Not at all. I was digging up some armor in the internet and actually find this gothic suit of plate harness (1484) belonging to Sigismund, archduke of Austria. It was made by a famous er at Augsburg:

I think there may be a small fantastic touch in that all the historical sallets of this type I can think of have hinged visors, whereas the ones in the game appear to be solid.

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PostPosted: Sun 09 Apr, 2017 11:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Okay....Let me rephrase that: " I've never seen a -solid- one like that." Razz Not to say there is/was no such thing.... WTF?! ....McM
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Apr, 2017 12:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Surely the Sigismund harness has a straight visor slot, which is appearing angled due to the direction from which the picture has been taken?
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Apr, 2017 1:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes, the 'Sigismund' gothic's Schaller has a level occularium.
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Mikko Kuusirati




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PostPosted: Sun 09 Apr, 2017 4:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark Moore wrote:
Okay....Let me rephrase that: " I've never seen a -solid- one like that." Razz Not to say there is/was no such thing.... WTF?! ....McM

And indeed, I stand corrected - a brief search unearthed a number of historical solid visored sallets. This video from Matt Easton features several, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwX2kkeMEOk

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