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Ian Hutchison
Location: Louisiana / Nordrhein-Westholland Joined: 27 Nov 2007
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 Posted: Mon 29 Feb, 2016 3:24 am Post subject: Windlass German Bastard Sword help |
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I was wondering if someone who has a Windlass German Bastard Sword could give me the length and width of the sloth cut in the crossguard for the blade. I might cannibalize one to use the crossguard on a blade I've got and I want to see how much re-working will need to be done.
Thanks.
'We are told that the pen is mightier than the sword, but I know which of these weapons I would choose.' - Adrian Carton de Wiart
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Shahril Dzulkifli
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| Posted: Thu 03 Mar, 2016 4:03 am Post subject: Windlass German Bastard Sword help |
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Reported post I wonder if there's any forumer here who keeps such sword.
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Julien M
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| Posted: Thu 03 Mar, 2016 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Try Sean (Flynt), this is one of his favorite project sword - I sold him mine though so can't help further.
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| Posted: Thu 03 Mar, 2016 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Mine is about 5mm wide and 56mm long.
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Ian Hutchison
Location: Louisiana / Nordrhein-Westholland Joined: 27 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu 03 Mar, 2016 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks very much for the help, much appreciated.
Mikko, does the slot taper, or is it a simple rectangle?
Thanks.
'We are told that the pen is mightier than the sword, but I know which of these weapons I would choose.' - Adrian Carton de Wiart
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| Posted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 3:02 am Post subject: |
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Plain rectangular, with a slightly wider round hole in the middle for the threaded part of the tang to pass through.
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
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Julien M
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| Posted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| Mikko Kuusirati wrote: | | Mine is about 5mm wide and 56mm long. |
That sounds wrong - far too wide for a tang slot?
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| Posted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Julien M wrote: | | Mikko Kuusirati wrote: | | Mine is about 5mm wide and 56mm long. |
That sounds wrong - far too wide for a tang slot? |
Well, yes - it's the slot for the blade shoulders, not the tang hole. 
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
— Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
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Sean Flynt
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| Posted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Windlass guards are almost always very loose on their 3/16" blades, and have to be opened a bit with files for the H-T bare blades. Your blade is probably somewhere in that range. You can secure the cross with epoxied shims or, if the fit is just slightly too loose, by using a center punch to outline the slot while the piece is on the blade. That expands the steel at the top of the slot inward to meet the blade. I think shims work as well as anything, though.
-Sean
Author of the Little Hammer novel
https://www.amazon.com/Little-Hammer-Sean-Flynt/dp/B08XN7HZ82/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=little+hammer+book&qid=1627482034&sr=8-1
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Julien M
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| Posted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Mikko Kuusirati wrote: | | Julien M wrote: | | Mikko Kuusirati wrote: | | Mine is about 5mm wide and 56mm long. |
That sounds wrong - far too wide for a tang slot? |
Well, yes - it's the slot for the blade shoulders, not the tang hole. |
Yep that fits, read the post sideways
Windlass blade inserts are usually not that great, machine made and rather ugly. For customisation I prefer a guard without and to dremel it exactly to the blade cross section. with the right dremel cut disc, it's actually a pretty simple affair.
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Jeff Kaisla
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| Posted: Mon 07 Mar, 2016 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Mine is about 5.5 mm x 57mm
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Kresimir Hruskovec
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| Posted: Mon 21 Mar, 2016 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Please,
which period is this sword, 15th century or 16th century?
On net I found different interpretations.
Thanx.
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Nathan Robinson
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| Kresimir Hruskovec wrote: | Please,
which period is this sword, 15th century or 16th century?
On net I found different interpretations.
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Hilt: circa 1580
Blade: 14th century
It's based on this original:
| Quote: | Longsword, Germany, circa 1580 (hilt) and 14th century (blade)
The hilt of blued steel; pear-shaped pommel; straight quillons, round in section and ending in pear-shaped knobs with spiral-roped collar; side-ring on either side. Waisted grip bound with cord and covered with leather. The broad, double-edged blade has a shallow hollow running three-quarters of its length. The maker's mark is a bell within a shield, inlaid in copper on both faces 13.8 cm from the hilt.
Blade length: 37.6" (95.5 cm); Blade width: 2.125" (5.4 cm); Weight: 4.52 pounds (2.05 kg)
Wallace Collection A.477
Literature:
Mann, James G., Wallace Collection Catalogues: European Arms and Armour Volume II, London: The Wallace Collection 1962
Norman, A. V. B., Wallace Collection Catalogues: European Arms and Armour Supplement, London: The Trustees of the Wallace Collection, 1986
http://wallacelive.wallacecollection.org/eMus...detailView
Copyright © Trustees of the Wallace Collection
A more detailed photo, alongside examples of other swords, can be found in our 16th century longswords photo album. |
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| Posted: Tue 22 Mar, 2016 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Interestingly enough, that 95.5cm is actually not the overall length - it's only the blade length.Windlass made the same mistake, taking those measurements at face value, which is why their reproduction has somewhat oddly squat proportions (the entire sword is only as long as the original's blade, while the other dimensions are fairly accurate).
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
— Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
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Nathan Robinson
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| Posted: Tue 22 Mar, 2016 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| Mikko Kuusirati wrote: | | Interestingly enough, that 95.5cm is actually not the overall length - it's only the blade length.Windlass made the same mistake, taking those measurements at face value, which is why their reproduction has somewhat oddly squat proportions (the entire sword is only as long as the original's blade, while the other dimensions are fairly accurate). |
Unfortunately, the Wallace Collection doesn't have a consistent manner in which they represent their stats. It's really frustrating.
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Jeffrey Faulk
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| Posted: Tue 22 Mar, 2016 11:01 am Post subject: |
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It's a shame because that really is a quite nice sword. It'd be very nice to see someone take at least the Windlass fittings, which are a reasonable approximation of the original's, and fit them to a more appropriately sized blade. A modified Hanwei-Tinker GSOW blade, perhaps.
For some reason it sticks to mind that perhaps Arms and Armour did a replica of this sword as well? I could well be wrong, though...
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