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Svyatoslav Pushkar
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 Posted: Thu 24 Dec, 2015 12:31 am Post subject: Unusual sword, help |
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Dear friends, what d u think of that sword aprox 7-12cc AD.<a href="http://piccy.info/view3/9193504/dd23cc77040777c2028844160889fdad/1200/" target="_blank"><img src="http://i.piccy.info/i9/28975e70ad47d1b0b870b1c8ca89fbe3/1450945900/58945/930363/Screenshot_2015_12_24_00_51_15_800.jpg" alt="Piccy.info - Free Image Hosting" border="0" /></a><a href="http://i.piccy.info/a3c/2015-12-24-08-31/i9-9193504/450x800-r" target="_blank"><img src="http://i.piccy.info/a3/2015-12-24-08-31/i9-9193504/450x800-r/i.gif" alt="" border="0" /></a>
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Svyatoslav Pushkar
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Svyatoslav Pushkar
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Svyatoslav Pushkar
Location: Ukraine Joined: 13 Feb 2015
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So sorry for bed photo...
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Svyatoslav Pushkar
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Its 90 cm long. Yes its stupid say something by that photo, but...It was found in central part of Europe. Thanks for any ideas.
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Svyatoslav Pushkar
Location: Ukraine Joined: 13 Feb 2015
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No ideas?(( May be guard has the same construction with something
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Craig Peters
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This sword is not an antique. If you look at the groove in the blade, it looks completely unlike any fuller I have seen on a Migration Era/Viking sword. Also, even in it's badly rusted state, the pommel looks all wrong: its shape is similar to a scent stopper pommel, which only begin on swords in the late Middle Ages (mostly the 15th century). Even in its general outline, the pommel is radically different from any 7th to 12th C sword pommel. From these two details alone, you can be 100% certain this is not an antique sword.
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Shahril Dzulkifli
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Swords like this are normally kept at museums rather than sold as an antique.
“You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength”
- Marcus Aurelius
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Matthew Amt
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| Shahril Dzulkifli wrote: |
Swords like this are normally kept at museums rather than sold as an antique. |
Nah, most "portable" antiquities are in private hands, especially less "showy" ones like this. IF it's an antique, which seems doubtful.
This one looks really odd to me. I suspect that's the metal scabbard throat corroded to the blade and kind of blended with the guard. But is the *grip* iron as well? It looks like the whole hilt is slab or scale construction, with a full-width tang underneath, matching the outline of the hilt. Wouldn't that indicate a large dagger like a cinqueda, or something along those lines? I think those occasionally got very large, but of course it's not the right blade for a cinqueda. Ancient Greek swords were built that way, though this certainly isn't Greek. Just mulling options.
Well, it's certainly not the usual Made-in-India repro after an acid bath and some added mud! It would be interesting to get a better idea of what's underneath the crud.
Matthew
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Mark Lewis
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| Svyatoslav Pushkar wrote: | | .It was found in central part of Europe. |
Was it "found" in Ukraine? The hilt and possibly pommel as well are perhaps modeled on this remarkable example in Kiev.
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Svyatoslav Pushkar
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| Posted: Fri 25 Dec, 2015 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Thank u for the answer! I found out that:
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Svyatoslav Pushkar
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Craig, u are totally wrong, its original.it was found in Ukraine.
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Svyatoslav Pushkar
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Some another photo. My friend found it with a metal detector
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Svyatoslav Pushkar
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Interesting fastex was on sword)
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Lafayette C Curtis
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Are there any ceremonial or fraternity swords from around the WW2 era that looked like this? I don't know, but the shape sort of recalls some of those medieval-inspired modern swords to my eyes. So it could be modern but pretty old in its own right.
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Shahril Dzulkifli
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| Posted: Fri 29 Jan, 2016 3:42 am Post subject: Unusual sword, help |
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Can anybody tell me the whereabouts of this sword today?
“You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength”
- Marcus Aurelius
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Robert Môc
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It can be Byzantine,I think.
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This is a standard topic