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Adam Lloyd




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PostPosted: Wed 19 Jan, 2005 7:04 pm    Post subject: English baskethilts         Reply with quote

Are there any modern makers of QUALITY English baskethilts from the 17-18th centuries? I dont have anything against Scottish baskethilts but they're a bit common now and I'm just highly interested in the English swords. I know of the replica Mortuary hilts and have the sharp Paul Chen model on order but I'm looking for any other styles of baskethilts too
Please direct me to those who make them
Thanks

PS: Id even like to hear about ENGLISH rapiers or something like that too
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Jan, 2005 7:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Adam;

You might try the Angus Trim Baskethilt from All Saints Blades: http://www.allsaintsblades.com/basket10.htm I have one of these and I am mighty pleased with it! Good Anglo-Scottish style from the mid-to-late 16th Century, through the early 17th Century. Then of course there is the really expensive version out there... we'll let Sean Flynt tell you about THAT one!

For a good English-style Rapier, go to Arms&Armour: http://www.arms-n-armor.com/2000/catalog/item190.html Their Elizabethan Rapier is really, really nifty! I haven't personally handled this model, but if it's at all like the others that I HAVE handled, then it ought to be a wonderful weapon.

Good luck on this!

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jan, 2005 4:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Adam,

Scott Wilson @ Darkwood Armory does a nice looking English baasket-hilt.
www.Darkwoodarmory.com

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jan, 2005 5:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

William Goodwin wrote:
Adam,

Scott Wilson @ Darkwood Armory does a nice looking English baasket-hilt.
www.Darkwoodarmory.com

Bill


Actually, "baasket-hilt" is the Highland spelling.


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jan, 2005 7:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Oooppps! Me finger got stuck......
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jan, 2005 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: English baskethilts         Reply with quote

Adam Lloyd wrote:
Are there any modern makers of QUALITY English baskethilts from the 17-18th centuries? I dont have anything against Scottish baskethilts but they're a bit common now and I'm just highly interested in the English swords. I know of the replica Mortuary hilts and have the sharp Paul Chen model on order but I'm looking for any other styles of baskethilts too
Please direct me to those who make them
Thanks
PS: Id even like to hear about ENGLISH rapiers or something like that too


Hi Adam

What is your budget ? Mac

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jan, 2005 3:08 pm    Post subject: British Basket Hilted Swords         Reply with quote

Changing the subject slightly, http://www.boydell.co.uk/43830531.HTM this will take you to a book to be published later this year by Boydell and Brewer.


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jan, 2005 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: British Basket Hilted Swords         Reply with quote

Paul Mortimer wrote:
Changing the subject slightly, http://www.boydell.co.uk/43830531.HTM this will take you to a book to be published later this year by Boydell and Brewer. Cheers, Paul


Thanks, Paul .... looks to be a good one ! Mac

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jan, 2005 3:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Greetings,

I see Mr. Goodwin hasn't chimed in yet so I will have to mention Armour Class myself Big Grin . They have an English Rapier that looks pretty good. Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jan, 2005 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: British Basket Hilted Swords         Reply with quote

Thomas McDonald wrote:
Paul Mortimer wrote:
Changing the subject slightly, http://www.boydell.co.uk/43830531.HTM this will take you to a book to be published later this year by Boydell and Brewer. Cheers, Paul


Thanks, Paul .... looks to be a good one ! Mac


Hey! A book I don't own! Does anyone know anything about this? I'd like to hear thoughts on it.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jan, 2005 4:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I found this little bit about the collection Dr. Mazansky donated to the University !
http://www.brown.edu/Facilities/University_Li...words.html

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jan, 2005 5:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nate C. wrote:
Greetings,

I see Mr. Goodwin hasn't chimed in yet so I will have to mention Armour Class myself Big Grin . They have an English Rapier that looks pretty good. Hope this helps.


In addition, Armour Class has a couple Mortuary Hilts (including a nice-looking replica of Oliver Cromwell's sword) and some Basket-hilts that could be considered English in origin, a 17th century "early basket" (http://www.armourclass.com/Data/Pages/17Century_14.htm) and this later mid-to-late 18th century Dragoon sword (http://www.armourclass.com/Data/Pages/Scottish_14.htm) (it's in the Scottish section, but the originals would have been made in England, and issue wouldn't necessarily have been limited to Scottish units).

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Light three candles, close your eyes and chant "ElJay...ElJay...ElJay...ElJay...ElJay"

If you say it just right, he might appear and grant your wish.

Seriously, E.B. Erickson is doing some of the most interesting work with underappreciated English and Scottish (and Anglo-Scottish) forms of the 16th-18th centuries. He'd be my number-one choice for a custom job. If you haven't already, see my review of his collaboration with Angus Trim (first link below). Gordon's All Saints basket is essentially the same weapon, based on a sword found on the English side of the border. It may be too early for your tastes, but as far as I can tell, ElJay can make anything you want.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jan, 2005 7:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nate C. wrote:
Greetings,

I see Mr. Goodwin hasn't chimed in yet so I will have to mention Armour Class myself Big Grin . They have an English Rapier that looks pretty good. Hope this helps.


Just took it for granted with Adam knowing the level of my Mortuary maddness........
Mmwuhahaha! Evil


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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jan, 2005 12:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

this site is great. You guys are very helpful. Thank you!

I didn't know about Armour Class. I mean I knew they existed but it's been years since I've been to their site! The last time I visited their site I was soley interested in 18th-19th century items that the AC stuff was merely a curiousity. Now I go there and see all kinds of candy that I want to snack on!

I especially like their Mortuary hitls of course especially the detailed Cromwell piece. I also like the English rapier as pointed out above.

I wonder about the schiavona though. It doesn't looi like a schiavona to me. Sure it has a funny eared pommel and an "unusual" basket but doesn't look anything like any other schiavona I've ever seen. Any input on that?

I'll go follow the other links now. It's very late here so maybe that will wait until the morning. Thanks again!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jan, 2005 12:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sean that's really gorgeoius I like it a lot better without the black
Bill what are those two swords? I am guessing a Chen and an AC but that doesn't look like my Chen. Mine is darker metal Confused Confused
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jan, 2005 4:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes Adam, Paul Chen / Hanwei on the left #2004 (sharp version) and my baby...Armour Class Mort.

Do you have the practical P-C or the new antiqued version? I like the looks of the antiqued.

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