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Márk György Kis
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 Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2014 3:12 am Post subject: Yasenovo helmet dating |
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Hi there!
Recently I got into an argument, when was the Yasenovo helmet used? The literature has a firm understanding of 9-10th centuries, but a russian guy told me (without sources, just looking at Golden Horde helmets and telling me that other finds in the grave ar from the 13-14th centuries), that it is much later.
Due to obscurity of russian sources (hard to source them), does anyone have some new info?
Thanks!
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Boris Bedrosov
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| Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2014 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Yasenovo helmet dating |
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Well, the Yasenovo helmet is found in Bulgaria, not in Russia.
Thus, the Russian sources have nothing in common with this finding, as hasn't the Golden Horde.
The helmet itself has been excavated more than 50 years ago by Nikola Mavrodinov, who first signed 9th - 10th C as most likely period.
The same period is attributed by Valery Yotov in his "Arms and Armour from the First Bulgarian Empire 7th - 11th C", page 119 (ISBN 954-15-0113-3 or 954-427-547-9) - BTW your picture is from that book. David Nicolle also suggests same period for this helmet in his article "Byzantine and Islamic Arms and Armour. Evidence for Mutual Influence"
Hope that helps!
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Márk György Kis
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| Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2014 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Boris, that helped immensely, I am really grateful.
Do you happen to know the Mavrodinov book, where he published the find?
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Boris Bedrosov
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| Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2014 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| Márk György Kis wrote: | | .....Do you happen to know the Mavrodinov book, where he published the find? |
Unfortunately, I haven't read his book; I'm only familiar with its content.
The book is named "Excavations and research in Pliska" and is published in 1948. Pliska itself was the first (during pagan period) capital of the First Bulgarian Empire. The helmet in interest is discussed on pages 165-168.
As far as I know, "Excavations ......." is quite impressive book, the Yasenovo helmet is just a bit of it.
BTW, I have some doubts that everyone after Mavrodinov uses his estimates, without re-examing the artifact and/or re-checking sources again.
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Márk György Kis
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| Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2014 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Boris Bedrosov wrote: |
BTW, I have some doubts that everyone after Mavrodinov uses his estimates, without re-examing the artifact and/or re-checking sources again. |
This surfaced in me as well. After a time they dropped te original source and just gave the old artifact number and museum.
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