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Alina Boyden
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 Posted: Fri 05 Nov, 2004 1:08 am Post subject: Something I'd love to see Peter Johnsson copy |
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I was looking through my copy of Dr. David Nicolle's Arms and Armour of the Crusading Period. I have the second volume on Eastern Europe, the Byzantines, and the Islamic world. While digging through there I found a sword labelled as Figure 92. I found it to be absolutely stunning. Austere yet very clearly gigantic and powerful. It had an odd pommel shape so I went to look it up in Oakeshott and it turns out the pommel is a Type N. It seemed to me that the blade was a type XIIIA and Oakeshott mentions 1 of the only 2 Type N pommeled swords he has seen being a type XIIIA residing in Romania. This particular sword is from a museum, or maybe private collection, in Bucharest, Romania. I don't have a scanner with me and can't seem to track down an image but maybe somebody else has one handy. Regardless, I'd love to see Albion delve more into obscure pommel types.
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Nathan Robinson
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Alina Boyden
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To be more specific, it is from the Slatineanu Collection in Bucharest, Romania.
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Alina Boyden
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| Blaz Berlec wrote: | That looks similar to several swords found in river Ljubljanica at Ljubljana (capital city of Slovenia). Below is the picture. And yes, I've bought a scanner.  |
Very nice. I know know that Oakeshott says sword designs can't be classified as regional but do you suppose the Type N pommel is a central european type - or at least one popular there?
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Brian M
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That looks like what Oakeshott called an XIb in "TSITAOC" -- a long narrow-fullered XI blade with a very spatulate tip. I wonder if Oakeshott stuck with that, or eventually dropped the "XIb" classification. Reason is, other than reading about it in TSITAOC, I've never seen a single mention of the XIb type on this board or any other online resource.
Brian M
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Alina Boyden
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| Posted: Fri 05 Nov, 2004 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Brian M wrote: | That looks like what Oakeshott called an XIb in "TSITAOC" -- a long narrow-fullered XI blade with a very spatulate tip. I wonder if Oakeshott stuck with that, or eventually dropped the "XIb" classification. Reason is, other than reading about it in TSITAOC, I've never seen a single mention of the XIb type on this board or any other online resource.
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But I think Oakeshott himself calls this sword a XIIIA in the very same book. Go to the pommels section in TSITAOC and look at type N. What are the odds that there is another big warsword from Bucharest, Romania with a type N pommel when the type is considered extremely rare?
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Brian M
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I wasn't considering the pommel type. I was just looking at the fuller width, blade taper, and tip.
Brian M
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Alina Boyden
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| Brian M wrote: | I wasn't considering the pommel type. I was just looking at the fuller width, blade taper, and tip.
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I know but you said according to TSITAOC it appears to be a type XI. But what I'm saying is that I think Oakeshott himself classifies it as type XIIIa in the same book you're referring to.
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