Stephen Renico wrote: | ||
Um... okay. :) Your Honor, the Defense rests. (sigh) |
So, in other words, you *do* believe that you can tell when someone will be wounded by his name and the time fo day, is that right?
Stephen Renico wrote: | ||
Um... okay. :) Your Honor, the Defense rests. (sigh) |
Greg Mele wrote: |
Hugh,
All I am trying to do is ask you to quit imposing your religious beliefs onto medieval people and to use them denigrate living beliefs because they don't jell with your own. We can disagree with the former, the latter is just courtesy - the original poster himself indicated that my concerns were correct. When you are lumping in Buddhism as Buddhist beliefs you know little about as 'mumbo jumbo we should all be scornful of', then that *is* beyond the discussion of the thread. You won't address the points I made because it is "too far afield". Well, my point was that editorializing that a belief in the supernatural, be that astrology or God, is the trope of fools and rubes, and insisting that we have an obligation to protect WMA from belief is *too far afield* for this thread and this forum. I'm not flaming you, I'm asking you not to be needlessly inflammatory. Greg |
Hugh Knight wrote: |
Again, I have not and will not talk about any modern beliefs, both to avoid hurting anyone's feelings and because it's not relevent to this discussion. I do this not because you request it, but because this isn't the place. |
Christian Henry Tobler wrote: |
Hi Stephen,
Circling back, I'd recommend reading Ramon Lull's chivalric treatise for one view of how intertwined faith and the chivalric arts are. I recognize this isn't exactly like the EMA equivalent you're likely thinking of, but it should be illuminating nonetheless. Cheers, Christian |
Randall Pleasant wrote: |
My anthrpology career is now many years in my past so bear with me if I get some of this wrong. You normally see "magic" among people who have little actual control over their situration. For example, baseball pitchers often have a ritual of how they dress for a game, wear lucky socks, etc., because regardless of their skill and their performace in a game they can still give up a number of home-runs. Even if a pitcher could throw a 120 mile-per-hour pitch the batter could sill hit it for a home run. The pitcher loses all control once the ball leaves his hand. On the other hand, outfielders almost never engage in any rituals or lucky charms since they have much more control over their situation, ie their performace is tied directly to their skill. I think a highly skilled knight who faced a duel the next day would probably pray some during the night. I think pikemen facing cannon fire and gun fire the next day would pray, doe rituals, wear lucky charms, etc. Standing in a formation you have little control over what comes your way. Magic is an attempt to control the uncontrollable. Remember the old joke from WWII, soldiers didn't fear the bullet with their name on it, they feared the bullet marked "To whom it might concern...". I hope that makes sense. Ran |
Christian Henry Tobler wrote: |
...bemoaning the church's corruption hardly makes one an atheist. |
Christian Henry Tobler wrote: |
As for decoration, note how the large dueling shields seen in various German manuscripts almost invariably have crosses painted on them. Certainly, this is not the heraldry of either combatant. Of course, if both combatants bear the cross, it begs the question of what benefit it had... |
Randall Pleasant wrote: | ||
Very true! Few know the corruption in the history of the Chruch as well as the faithful of the Chruch. Many college students have napped during courses at Catholic universities but few students do so during courses on chruch history out of fear of missing the "good stuff"! :D Ran Pleasant |
Christian Henry Tobler wrote: |
Hi James,
2. The associations of the months and signs isn't how modern astronomy uses them, but is still the same system used in modern astrology. Cancer begins in June, etc. Note that Leo shares a split medallion with the month of July. |
Greg Mele wrote: |
Also, it is a good idea for people to remember that what we call the scientific method was a product of the Church - the fact that said method then produced things it was not happy about is besides the point. |