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Chris Gilman




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PostPosted: Mon 26 Oct, 2009 6:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Greyson Brown wrote:
Al,

Those are good points. I hadn't really considered the ramifications of things like buttons under armour. Worried Your suggestions does sound like the most comfortable.

-Grey

I don't know where this worry over buttons under armour got started, but I believe it is a non issue.
First most of the replica armour I have seen is not close fitted enough to even consider and second, even a close fitted curriass the buttons on an arming coat are not a problem. I have dozens of suits and I have worn akatons with buttons under most of them and have never noticed a problem.

Chris
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Chris Gilman




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PostPosted: Mon 26 Oct, 2009 6:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Once I got to the second page I see you did use buttons. The kit looks very nice. Well done.
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Chris Gilman




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PostPosted: Mon 26 Oct, 2009 6:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Felix R. wrote:
Thanks Christoffer, basically., it´s just a new Aketon and Kettle Hat the rest is the same as above.
The Breast and fauld are very nice to wear. The fit is so tight, I can´t use the haubergeon beneath. I have to look for resources where pre 15th cent foot is wearing breastplates with fauld. I only have some very limited info on this from Osprey´s three Italy related armour books. So please, if somebody knows of Italian ressources (pictures, frescos, written accounts) showing the equipment of Northern Italian foot in the late 14th early 15th cent, you would help me very much.

The breast and fauld were made by Jiri Klepac of Czech Republic.

Your aketon looks a bit thick and very loose. Try tailoring the aketon to fit tighter through the waist. Look on this thread
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=8426
notice the coats that are snug at the waist, this is what yours should look like I believe.

Chris
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Randall Moffett




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PostPosted: Mon 26 Oct, 2009 7:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chris,

If his aketon was any tighter or form fit his brains would be squeezed out his head like tooth paste. I can promise that thing can get no tighter without serious modification to Felix.

I also have buttons on my aketon and have not had any problem either.

RPM
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Michael Eging




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PostPosted: Mon 26 Oct, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That is a terrific helmet! I can't wait to see it with the kit!
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Felix R.




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PostPosted: Mon 26 Oct, 2009 12:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hmm, I can´t see how the button dicussion started here today, was there a question in this topic somewhere?

For the fitting of the Aketon. Maybe you could get it more V-shaped, but when I look in the mirror my waist is not that tight compared to the chest and hip circumference, and I am more regular weighted. So I have a hard time thinking about this narrow waist in the persons depicted in art. But those in your pictures a wearing Jupons, so maybe they have globose breast plates underneath. The aketon on the other hand is designed also to go with my mid 14 th cent militia kit. I will get fantastic Visby guantlets next year to go with the kit. When you think of pivtures of Italian foot in training from the painting of Avio Castle in Trentino, you will see more regular shaped persons with straight lines, compared to the strong waisted look. Maybe you could get something waisted to work with the padding and of course even in my Aketon you could take out a few cm in the waist, but you still won´t get the deep V-shape.
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Felix R.




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PostPosted: Thu 29 Oct, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Got the finishing pictures today. The helmet should arrive somewhere next week.
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K J Seago




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PostPosted: Fri 27 Nov, 2009 5:58 am    Post subject: A 14th Cent. Kit with German influence         Reply with quote

lovely helm! if i fought in your period i'd certainly like one! its got a grim look about it.
just another student of an interesting subject, Happy
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Felix R.




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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul, 2011 12:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You are never finished until you are finished. I sold my first arm harness for this better fitted one. A pair of hourglass gauntlets is also to come. Pictures by the maker Christian Wiedner.


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Adam Bodorics
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul, 2011 2:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

(I just realized I was replying to something posted in 2009... talk about quick reaction.)

To the tailoring issue: my waist circumference is 95cm in itself, my prototype doublet got that down to 80cm, and the final got it down to 72cm. It's far more comfortable than it seems and supports my back quite well, making lifting heavy objects easier and safer. I also fought in it for hours stopping only for water, and have worn it for 3 days continuously except while sleeping. A few tests had shown that I could get down to even 60cm circumference, but then it gets uncomfortable while fighting - but it's more than surviveable if you're not exerting force, like normal civilian wear.
Compare THIS with THIS. The latter one is the final version, and it makes tailoring a close-fitting aketon possible. I'm 100kg by the way at 184cm, and pretty far from being in top condition.

If it's terribly offtopic here, please move it somewhere appropriate.
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Randall Moffett




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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jul, 2011 6:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Felix,

Arms are lovely. I love the detail like the file work at the hinges. The design of it looks great. The vambraces especially are nice. Once you get them make sure you take some more updated pictures of your complete harness as I am sure we all would love to see it with the rest of your excellent harness.

RPM
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Felix R.




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PostPosted: Sat 03 Sep, 2011 7:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Got an update on the hourglass gauntlets lately. Fingers on one are finished. So you can get an idea, there´s also a one of the pictures the design is taken from.


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Arek Przybylok




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PostPosted: Sat 03 Sep, 2011 8:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Beautiful! Can you write anything about this tomb? Do you have more photos?
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PostPosted: Sat 03 Sep, 2011 9:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments/manno_donati/
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Felix R.




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PostPosted: Sat 24 Sep, 2011 9:03 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Christian finished my gauntlets finally. I hope to be able to post some pictures of the current kit after our weekend at the Turmhügelburg in two weeks.


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