[Chad Arnow]

[Andy C. Nystrom]

While checking the thread for any new posts My curiosity about the lantern shield was piqued all over again and I took a moment to find some more resources. I came across a short article by a Will Kalif stating.

Generally, the lantern shield is believed to have been used not for combat but for walking around Italian cities at night. It was protection against ruffians and robbers more so than against combatants in battle. The effectiveness of the Lantern Shield in real combat is questionable but in the context of walking around a dangerous city at night it does warrant some interesting conclusions. First off, it was probably very ominous looking and any would be robber was probably inclined to just move on to the next victim. And if a combative situation arose the whole contraption was probably reasonably effective at staving off injury much in the same way as a porcupine does! The addition of the lantern was also a strong deterrent against attack because any nighttime robber would just avoid the illumination and exposure. So as a real weapon it was probably not very good but as a deterrent it was probably reasonably effective. Any robber or ruffian seeing someone carrying this thing would probably just move on to the next victim.

For clarification In the beginning of the article the type of lantern shield described is the multi-bladed form with the intergraded gauntlet.

So the uber-lantern shields are not truly effective or practical in traditional combat more bluff then bite so to speak. But used as a type of urban self defense item i can see these being scary to go against when you are some half starved thief armed with nothing more than say a dagger?

[Vince Matthews]

Sorry about the link screw-up Chad,if you eliminate the www. it seems to work..The link will take you to the museum photos with a zoom feature that can show amazing detail.

http://rubens.anu.edu.au/raider4/austria/vien...php?page=3

I see where your coming from on the "what to call it front" and agree with the" lantern shield combined with" idea for academic discussion,that makes sense to me... but I still like your suggestion of "supershield",it's just cooler(more cool?).
I'm having a bit of trouble getting information on the actual lantern,i've only come accross one description but have started a discussion with a period lantern maker named Bob Miller who happens to be in your state.I'm hoping to pick his brain for a better understanding of how the internals functioned.It seems to have had a rotating cylinder inside that held a thin bone "window" of some kind.
This would be so much easier with a plane ticket to Vienna.

Andy,that was my initial thought about it's use.As a bodyguard type weapon it would be very intimidating but fairly useless on a battlefield

[Marc H]

[Johan Gemvik]

Impractical for group combat certainly, but for duel I could see it working even in full daylight. If nothing else it could be used as a decent blocking device and you could probably scare somebody who's never seen one before.

Since it has a lantern it's probably mainly meant to be used in night-time. What looks odd in daylight may well be much more practical in poor light conditions. I suspect someole being lit in the face in darkness would swat at it with their own blade, and risk getting stuck, or if they swat at it with their hand they'd get cut. And if they don't do either they'll get blinded and skewered on the lantern guys' long blade. Win-win situation.

Also, the gauntlet has maille on the inside, I expect this is meant for grabbing shap blades. Useful trick in a duel day or night.

[Aleksei Sosnovski]

I think that a lantern shield with all these attached blades and spikes would be very effective against unarmored or lightly armored opponents. Definitely not an equipment for large-scale combat, its place would be on streets and inside buildings. Such shield would be extremely useful for searching buildings and pursuing people.

Imagine that you need to check if somebody is inside a dark room. You open a door and instantly have your hand cut off. Or peep inside and receive a blow in the head. But if you have such shield on your hand-no problem. When you enter an absolutely dark room with a source of light people inside would probably see nothing except this light and therefore would most likely attack it. And that's where all these sword catchers/breakers suddenly become very useful.

Another scenario is when you notice a suspicious person on a dark street and want to check who he is. With such shield you can see the person at the same time blinding him. If he attacks you with a weapon you have a shield to deflect the blow, and if he suddenly rushes at you he would be very lucky to survive your shield bash.

Another good thing is that with such shield one can be relaxed but still ready to fight at any moment. Walking with a sword in one hand and a lantern in other would be less comfortable and would probably attract more attention than "simply shield", not to mention the fact that in narrow space such shield may actually be a more effective weapon then a sword.

I wonder if these lanterns were able to resist good shaking and not be put out during the first seconds of a fight.

[Benjamin H. Abbott]

To update this thread, the Academy of Historical Fencing folks made a sparring version of a lantern shield & it has proved effective. Despite skepticism from many observers over the years, the weight of the evidence now indicates that the lantern shield with extending blade has a number of advantages over a simple round shield. This blade helps to defend the legs, for example. This should be a lesson to us that bizarre & complicated bits of historical arms & armor aren't necessarily impractical. In the case of the lantern shield, it seems the difficulty of making such an elaborate shield did offer potential benefits.

[Ryan S.]

[Ryan S.]

I found a youtube video about another replica that has all the features of the shield in Vienna (Most replicas leave out the lantern and sword breakers). Interestingly, it also shows pictures of those Russian shields, and it appears there is one in the Kremlin Armoury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0MbqWl4slc