Posts: 834
Mon 01 Aug, 2011 12:13 pm
Need some Knecht suspension advice
Hello
Does this suspension baldric thingy,work (period-ish wise) with a, Albion Knecht?
Regards to all
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Posts: 5,981 Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Mon 01 Aug, 2011 1:32 pm
Nope. It'd be akin to painting a Ferrari with a rattle can. Assuming you have a scabbard (please let it be a proper wood core scabbard,) all you need is a long, narrow top-grain leather belt and historical buckle type--either homemade or bought from Historic Entreprises, etc. You can have a belt cut at any leather shop. If you're not more than about a 38" waist you can just modify an English lead from a pet store. Either way, you just add a buckle and tie the typical scabbard knot around the scabbard. If you can get a very long piece you can use the basket-weave knot seen in many images of the period (or use a piece to make the basket knot and just run the belt through the knot). This route is simpler, cheaper and far more historically appropriate..
Posts: 834
Mon 01 Aug, 2011 1:48 pm
Hello
Thats the thing.I dont have a scabbard for it. I was thinking, that half scabbard thing, instead of $1000 for a scabbard.
Regards
Posts: 5,981 Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Mon 01 Aug, 2011 2:17 pm
Given the quality of the pieces you tend to own, you should try to make a scabbard or two. It's not that hard. As for the Knecht--better to just carry the piece than to put it bare in a rig like that. Somebody will get cut or stabbed, for sure. In fact, I wouldn't have that thing naked outside around people.
Posts: 226 Location: La Crosse, WI
Mon 01 Aug, 2011 2:46 pm
I agree. People wearing sharps in those kind of exposed scabbard/fogs terrifies me. Something as simple as slipping on wet ground could lead to a horrible accident.
Where they used historically?
Posts: 264
Tue 02 Aug, 2011 8:18 am
Here is what I was thinking of:
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Ok, now I'm not certain that the blade is bare. It could just be a very form-fitting scabard, with no chape?
Posts: 5,981 Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Tue 02 Aug, 2011 8:51 am
That's the typical suspension for the Katzbalger and other short-bladed weapons of the period and culture. It's a specialized knot, either of a piece with the belt or only on the scabbard itself, with the belt passing through it. The saber/messer shown here is in its scabbard. The knot covers most the integral scabbards of the by-knives but the tops of those knives can be seen below the nagel, in the gap between the top of the scabbard and the top of the knot. Tod has covered the creation of such knots in a couple of threads, most recently in his Katzbalger thread. Not as difficult as it looks :D
Posts: 11,553 Location: San Francisco
Tue 02 Aug, 2011 9:10 am
Years ago I had interpreted that woodcut (which is not a period illustration, I might add) as a messer not in a scabbard. I was corrected. It would have had a scabbard.
Posts: 264
Tue 02 Aug, 2011 10:00 am
Nathan Robinson wrote: |
It would have had a scabbard. |
Sean Flynt wrote: |
The saber/messer shown here is in its scabbard. |
Ah, good to hear that this seems to be the consensus.
Posts: 834
Tue 02 Aug, 2011 10:02 am
Hello
Thanks for the input, all-ya`ll :-) I`am thinking, your`re right ,about a bare blade.I`d hate to sit down, and stab somebody in the butt :-) The CSS route sounds good. I`am a welder, so wood is my kryptonite. I would like to try my hand at the belt though.
Regards
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