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Ushio Kawana




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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul, 2010 7:00 am    Post subject: Is this a poleax?         Reply with quote

Hi Happy

We know a fighting manual of "Flos Duellatorum(The Flower of Battle)" written by Fiore Dei Liberi.
http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/Liberi.htm

I'am interested in this weapon.
It was written in some site that this weapon is a poleax(with rope).

I have some questions. Question
# Is this weapon a poleax? (What name is it precisely?) Question
# Does this weapon exist? Question
# Is there the picture which this weapon is used for? Question
# Was this weapon used in battle/duel? Question

thanks Happy

I'm interested in Medieval Arms and Armor.
But... My English is very poor ><;
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Sam Barris




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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul, 2010 10:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looks like they're about to roast some tofu over a fire. No idea what that is. Looking forward to finding out. Happy
Pax,
Sam Barris

"Any nation that draws too great a distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards, and its fighting done by fools." —Thucydides
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Jared Smith




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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul, 2010 3:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I would guess it is more of a pole hammer.
Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence!
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Jean-Carle Hudon




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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Could it be a maul? What is intriguing is the whip or chain at the end of it. Maybe the weight at the end gives more momentum to the lash ?
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Alain D.





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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I was thinking that it looked like a godendag and found this topic:
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...t=godendag

The rope on the end looks to me like something used for wrapping around legs to trip or destabilize the opponent.

-Alain
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Kel Rekuta




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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jul, 2010 6:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Okay guys, enough speculation. WTF?! Tom Leoni made a nice translation & very inexpensive. Buy it at Lulu.com & read it.

Fiore describes two "trick" poleaxes, probably more as something to look out for as he mentions that the honourable Marquis would never use such things. The first has a salt shaker head filled with blinding powder. The second has a detachable weight on a lanyard to trip an opponent. These are not part of the system of combat. Much of the manuscript is conversational, describing actions and giving advice to Marquis Nicolo d'Este. This is something worthy of mention because a powerful, important man should be aware of many things. I would liken them to the fanciful weapons and devices Talhoffer describes a couple generations later.
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