Which of the Swiss Daggers pictured below are you most likely to add to your kit? |
A 1480c. Alpine Dagger |
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B 1520c. Swiss Dagger |
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22% |
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C 1550c. Swiss Holbein Dagger |
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20% |
[ 16 ] |
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Total Votes : 77 |
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Craig Johnson
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Posted: Fri 19 Mar, 2010 7:47 am Post subject: Arms & Armor March Highlight and a Query |
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March Highlight Item from Arms & Armor
We will be having a group Highlight this month. It will be a dagger, scabbard and shipping included for 170.00 on any of our crosshilted daggers in stock. Here are the pieces that are currently waiting for new homes.
#062 Medici Dagger
#063 Tudor Dagger
#130 Crusader Dagger
#216 Aunlaz Dagger
#225 Knightly Dagger
Due to some hiccups this morning the ARMS & ARMOR News page does not have the update yet but will soon so check there for all the details.
Also some new pieces on the Muster page as well
Here are some new pieces we are considering adding to our line. We made these as tests to see how we liked the styles and feel of the pieces as well as the process. We thought if would be an interesting idea to offer them up on the muster page but also run a survey to see what those interested in these types of daggers would be most likely to add to their armoury.
Added info:
Just thought I would add a bit of detail. The dagger A is based on one from the Northern area of modern Italy. The grip is a ovoid shape with a smooth unfaceted surface. Dagger B has a bit more of a flatten ovoid shape but still does not have corners in the shape. The cross section could be almost rectangular in description. The C dagger has the faceted hexagon shape with the two edges aligned with the sides being very narrow and the four other facets being the keeled shape visible in the picture. B and C are both based on daggers from the area of modern Switzerland but of course could have been made in that region described in the description on the muster page.
Have a great spring from A&A Inc.
Last edited by Craig Johnson on Fri 19 Mar, 2010 12:42 pm; edited 3 times in total
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Bill Grandy
myArmoury Team
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Posted: Fri 19 Mar, 2010 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Whoa, great stuff, Craig! I love the two handed katzbalger on the Muster page! And I may take advantage of this deal to get myself a dagger and sheath...
I think adding the "Holbein" daggers to the main line is a great idea. Personally, of all three of your designs pictured, I think dagger "A" should be the one you put in your regular lineup. There are a few mass produced ones of similar style (typically for WWII reenactors) that are much closer to the C & D designs, so A would be more unique to you guys.
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-Inspired by History, Crafted by Hand
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Christopher Gregg
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Posted: Fri 19 Mar, 2010 8:52 am Post subject: |
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I voted for "A", since it's kind of unique. Also, I emailed you about purchasing it
Best,
Christopher
Christopher Gregg
'S Rioghal Mo Dhream!
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Brian K.
Industry Professional
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Posted: Fri 19 Mar, 2010 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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I couldn't help it, those Swiss daggers are beautiful. I ordered one for myself.
Brian Kunz
www.dbkcustomswords.com
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Joe Fults
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Posted: Fri 19 Mar, 2010 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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I'm going to jump on the bandwagon of "they all look great but I like A"!
"The goal shouldn’t be to avoid being evil; it should be to actively do good." - Danah Boyd
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P. Cha
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Posted: Sat 20 Mar, 2010 11:37 am Post subject: |
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I´m gonna have to vote C...but B is nice too...can I vote three times?
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Jonathan Atkin
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Posted: Sat 20 Mar, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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I really like C a lot. The design is very nice and visually appealing.
"If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness''. - Theodore Roosevelt
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Bill Grandy
myArmoury Team
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Posted: Sat 20 Mar, 2010 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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I just came back from the Baltimore Antique Arms Show, and I got to pick up an antique dagger that was almost exactly like the "A" dagger above. The whole thing's very corroded, and the grip had long since deteriorated, but the shape of the blade and the guard was nearly identical. Now I think A&A's version is even cooler.
HistoricalHandcrafts.com
-Inspired by History, Crafted by Hand
"For practice is better than artfulness. Your exercise can do well without artfulness, but artfulness is not much good without the exercise.” -anonymous 15th century fencing master, MS 3227a
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Hugo Voisine
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Posted: Sat 20 Mar, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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I vote for the "A" model to be included in the regular production line.
As a side note, I must say that the two handed Katzbalger on the muster page is pretty awesome. I deeply envy whoever ordered it.
« Que dites-vous ?... C'est inutile ?... Je le sais !
Mais on ne se bat pas dans l'espoir du succès !
Oh ! non, c'est bien plus beau lorsque c'est inutile ! »
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Mark T
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Posted: Sat 20 Mar, 2010 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Bill Grandy wrote: | I think dagger "A" should be the one you put in your regular lineup. There are a few mass produced ones of similar style (typically for WWII reenactors) that are much closer to the C & D designs, so A would be more unique to you guys. |
Exactly ... and I'm guessing there might be more of us out here who are interested in 15th C gear than 16th ... many of the main re-enactment groups in Europe are 15th C as well ...
It would be great to have something that is traceably 15th C, rather than 'shake'n'bake fakin it' with pieces that are more clearly 16th C.
A all the way!
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Russ Ellis
Industry Professional
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Posted: Sun 21 Mar, 2010 6:52 am Post subject: |
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So Craig, I've decided that you are deliberately trying to drive me nuts. I've been saving money for an extra special (and pricey) custom piece, and I'm getting close to having the finances together. I've managed to avoid the temptation to purchase one of your stock pieces although that's bad enough, but then you are continually bringing out new items which are absolutely killing me. It's a good thing I didn't log in here until after the two handed katzbalger was sold, or I would have succumbed and purchased it for sure.
Nice job on the "Holbein" style daggers. If I was going to pick just one I'd probably go with C since to my mind it's more stereotypical of the type.
TRITONWORKS Custom Scabbards
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Jean Thibodeau
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Posted: Sun 21 Mar, 2010 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Russ Ellis wrote: |
Nice job on the "Holbein" style daggers. If I was going to pick just one I'd probably go with C since to my mind it's more stereotypical of the type. |
Yes but why buy just one. C and A maybe since C is very typical of the evolved type and A seems to be older and closer to the Baselard types and being " less typical " also makes it more or at least equally appealing.
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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Joe Fults
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Posted: Sun 21 Mar, 2010 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Jean Thibodeau wrote: | Russ Ellis wrote: |
Nice job on the "Holbein" style daggers. If I was going to pick just one I'd probably go with C since to my mind it's more stereotypical of the type. |
Yes but why buy just one. C and A maybe since C is very typical of the evolved type and A seems to be older and closer to the Baselard types and being " less typical " also makes it more or at least equally appealing. |
Jean that's mean...just plain mean, to do that to Russ!!
"The goal shouldn’t be to avoid being evil; it should be to actively do good." - Danah Boyd
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Craig Johnson
Industry Professional
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Posted: Mon 22 Mar, 2010 7:14 am Post subject: A&A Info and comment |
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Thank you guys for all the great feedback. It is interesting to hear the comments about the daggers and see what people gravitate towards.
I think we where leaning towards the 15th C dagger (A) ourselves so it is good to see there is appreciation of the type. This of course does not mean we wouldn't be open and happy to anyone needing something along the lines of B and C
That of course is to drive Russ nuts
I have to agree with Jean as well that if you pick two or three items it makes the choice easier.
Mark and Hugo I agree that sometimes the 15th C. gets a bit of a pass over by some. It is such a dynamic period of history and one of the most interesting in weapons and armor.
Very interesting Bill that you came across a dagger of the same form, DIdn't take a picture did you? The early forms of this style are interesting. The transition from the classic capital I baselard to the different forms it acquired later.
Interested to hear others comments as well and hope all are having a good spring.
Craig
PS- C is still looking for a home
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Mark T
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Posted: Mon 22 Mar, 2010 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Craig, that's great news about you leaning towards A. Now, if you need a little extra nudge at all, then if you *ahem* just happened to offer a pre-production discount to the good folks here, from the comments above, it sounds like a lot of us would take you up on it ... could be a way to lock in some initial orders and cover some of your R&D costs, etc.
Just a thought.
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Jean Thibodeau
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Posted: Mon 22 Mar, 2010 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Craig I would also consider the option of making the (a) in a scaled up version half way from large dagger to short sword with a blade between 15" to 20 " , this could be a standard version although I guess anyone could order a fully custom version in whatever historical size they might want I also guess that a production version might be a little cheaper and more readily available.
In any case the regular sized version is O.K. for the medium compact sized daggers with blade between 8" to 12".
It's really good to see rarely produced or reproduced weapons being made.
Oh, you might also consider making an " eared dagger " as these are also rather rare as reproductions.
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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Russ Ellis
Industry Professional
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Posted: Fri 26 Mar, 2010 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Can I just say that you all are an evil influence and contributing to the deliquency of a poor scabbard maker / systems engineer?
TRITONWORKS Custom Scabbards
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Steve Maly
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Posted: Fri 26 Mar, 2010 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just disappointed that there wasn't an "all of the above" option!
"When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." ~A. Maslow
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Jean Thibodeau
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Posted: Fri 26 Mar, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Steve Maly wrote: | I'm just disappointed that there wasn't an "all of the above" option! |
Even more cruel to Russ ! Yes buy them all, buy more than one of each .....
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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Mark T
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Posted: Sat 27 Mar, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Steve Maly wrote: | I'm just disappointed that there wasn't an "all of the above" option! |
Oh, but there was, there was!:
Craig Johnson wrote: | I think we where leaning towards the 15th C dagger (A) ourselves so it is good to see there is appreciation of the type. This of course does not mean we wouldn't be open and happy to anyone needing something along the lines of B and C
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Or do you mean just voting, not purchasing, Steve?
Craig: Any idea on the release date for these? We have a major Living History event in my neck of the woods in early July ... would love for 'A' to make a debut there ...
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