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PostPosted: Fri 28 Aug, 2009 5:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Perhaps the warrior drew (for a quite a while .. as in sawing) the cut! Butchers get through carcasses pretty fast with items pretty similar in appearance to ordinary household hacksaws. I am always amazed to see how quickly a good one completely reduces a pig or lamb into sale sized pieces.
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Bernal Díaz made clear that the blow severed the mare's neck to the point that it hung on by the skin. Here's A. P. Maudslay's English translation:

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Pedro de Moron, was a very good horseman, and as he charged with three other horsemen into the ranks of the enemy the Indians seized hold of his lance and he was not able to drag it away, and others gave him cuts with their broadswords, and wounded him badly, and then they slashed at the mare, and cut her head off at the neck so that it hung by the skin, and she fell dead.


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Y lo pusieron por obra arremetiendo, y echan mano a una muy buena yegua y bien revuelta de juego y de carrera, y el caballero que en ella iba, buen jinete, que se decía Pedro de Marón, y como entró rompiendo con otros tres de a caballo entre los escuadrones de los contrarios, porque así les era mandado, porque se ayudasen unos a otros, échanle mano de la lanza, que no la pudo sacar, y otros le dan de cuchilladas con los montantes, y le hirieron malamente; y entonces dieron una cuchillada a la yegua que le cortaron el pescuezo redondo y colgado del pellejo: y allí quedó muerta.


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PostPosted: Sat 29 Aug, 2009 10:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

What a terrific set of weapons there! I really like the painting on the one Mark did. So colorful and pretty, yet so deadly! It is nice to see weapons not ordinarily reproduced done so nicely!
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PostPosted: Sat 29 Aug, 2009 7:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Benjamin H. Abbott wrote:
Bernal Díaz made clear that the blow severed the mare's neck to the point that it hung on by the skin. Here's A. P. Maudslay's English translation:

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Pedro de Moron, was a very good horseman, and as he charged with three other horsemen into the ranks of the enemy the Indians seized hold of his lance and he was not able to drag it away, and others gave him cuts with their broadswords, and wounded him badly, and then they slashed at the mare, and cut her head off at the neck so that it hung by the skin, and she fell dead.


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Y lo pusieron por obra arremetiendo, y echan mano a una muy buena yegua y bien revuelta de juego y de carrera, y el caballero que en ella iba, buen jinete, que se decía Pedro de Marón, y como entró rompiendo con otros tres de a caballo entre los escuadrones de los contrarios, porque así les era mandado, porque se ayudasen unos a otros, échanle mano de la lanza, que no la pudo sacar, y otros le dan de cuchilladas con los montantes, y le hirieron malamente; y entonces dieron una cuchillada a la yegua que le cortaron el pescuezo redondo y colgado del pellejo: y allí quedó muerta.


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One thing to keep in mind about the writing of Bernal Diaz is that he did not write of his accounts until almost 50 years after they had taken place. I'm not saying that his writing is false or that it isn't important, but just that it wasn't done in close proximty to the events themselves. His book also seemed to be in response to another piece about the conquest, written by a person who had not even been in America at the time. There could be parts of Bernal Diaz's writing that were embellished to make his work more appealing. It's difficult to say.

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