Also picked up.... -- myArmoury.com

Brad Crisler · Posted: Thu 11 Sep, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: Also picked up....

...this sword....I know exactly jack about cup hilt broads but it just looked good to me....

Comes from a good collection and he gives complete return privs....

Anybody on that inscription?

Thanks!
Brad

http://www.cmmilitaryantiques.com/gallery.php?arid=1412

Brad Crisler · Posted: Fri 12 Sep, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: Picstures of Cup Hilt

These are some closeups of the hilt of the Cup hilt for those who requested them..

Bc

Brad Crisler · Posted: Fri 12 Sep, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: 2 more

2 more

Chad Arnow · myArmoury Team

Brad,
I took your new post with pictures of the cup hilt and merged it with your first thread about this sword. That way it's all together.

Brad Crisler · Posted: Fri 12 Sep, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject:

Thanks Chad!!

bc

Brad Crisler · Posted: Sat 13 Sep, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: Screw On Pommel: Sapnish Cup Hilt

Hey Guys:

Seems this Cup Hilt has a screw off type pommel. Does anyone know with what frequency these were used on swords of this period and does it raise question of reproduction.

Thanks so much!

Brad

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=14191

Lin Robinson · Posted: Sat 13 Sep, 2008 9:05 am Post subject:

Looks like a reproduction to me. I don't know when the first threaded pommels were used, but I did meet up with a guy once who had what he described as a 13th c. sword. The pommel and most of the hilt were missing. The exposed tang was threaded! Obviously it was not a 13th c. sword. Threads probably began to be used, in general, around the 17th century but, again, I do not know when they became a part of sword manufacture.

Lin Robinson · Posted: Sat 13 Sep, 2008 11:13 am Post subject:

OK....

Now that I have visited the seller's site and looked at the inscription and closeup of the blade I am not sure that it is a reproduction. The threaded tang on a c. 1680 sword is probably not an issue.

Sorry for jumping to conclusions like that.

Vincent Le Chevalier · Posted: Sat 13 Sep, 2008 11:29 am Post subject:

Actually what I find most surprising is seeing that kind of blade mounted with a cup hilt. I have always associated the cup hilt with more slender rapier blades... Anyone knows about other historical examples of that?

Brad Crisler · Posted: Sat 13 Sep, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject:

Well...the broad blade would be typical of Carribean type cup hilts..but the hilt doesn't look like that type..

All in all, I think I'm gonna pass on it...too many questions to explain come resale time.

bc

Alan H. Weller · Posted: Sat 13 Sep, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject:

I saw a similar cupped hilt sword with a wide blade at the Museum of the Palace of the Governors in Santa Fe. I took a photo with the intention of sharing it on myArmoury.com, but, because of the low light, the photo was quite blurry, so I didn't. But, given the subject of this thread, I think that it would be appropriate to show it now .

I don't know about the other issues, but I don't think the width of the blade should be of concern in relation to authenticity.

Ray McCullough · Posted: Tue 16 Sep, 2008 1:38 am Post subject:

One of the 15th century Fechtbuchs has a man unscrewing his the pommel off his longsword and throwing as a distraction. I'm not sure which one. I'll have to look it up.

Tallhoffer 1459. There are several depictions of daggers and swords and various pole arms with screwed on handles.

http://www.thearma.org/essays/Quality&Build.pdf

Check pages 18,19, and 20 of the article above.

It still could be original. A screw on pommel is not a new thing.

Hope this helped some.

Ray McCullough · Posted: Tue 16 Sep, 2008 1:59 am Post subject:

Tallhoffer 1459. There are several depictions of daggers and swords and various pole arms with screwed on handles.

http://www.thearma.org/essays/Quality&Build.pdf

Check pages 18,19, and 20 of the article above.

A screw on pommel is not a new thing.

Hope this helped some.