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Tony Drake




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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul, 2008 2:25 pm    Post subject: Sarmatian Ring Pommel Daggers 1st AD         Reply with quote

This is my first question post so thanks in advance Big Grin Has any one any drawings or pics of the above daggers for a reconstruction I have pics from the Osprey books but none of the origonal items. I have read information on them from 4thBC- 3rd AD but lack the archeological information. I have already made Ring Pommel swords for the 3rd AD which there is some good information for them and pics.
Regards Tony Big Grin

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Jim S.





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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hey Tony,

Thanks for posting this. In searching for the information relating to your request, I discovered a group of people that I hadn't heard of before.

Here is a link to an auction of what purports to be a Sarmation weapon of the 1st century A.D.

http://www.dakotacurriculum.com/Rare-Conserve...37903.html

And a discussion at romanarmy.com. In the first post, there are quite a few photos from a museum, some of which appear to be examples of what you are looking for.

http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic.php?p=121695

Thanks again,

Jim
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Tony Drake




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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul, 2008 10:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Result very many thanks Jim Big Grin This will help me as to put at least some of the disriptions I have with the blade. It is a bit wider than I thought and it looks like it has a leaf profile to the blade. Thanks for the link Big Grin As to the other one to RAT I am on that Forum and found it when I was researching for the Ring Pommel Swords I was making. So many thanks for your time Big Grin I had the request from a client who I did a Fulham Gladivs, and two of his members are Sarmation archers hence they want a couple of daggers, I cannot make them right now as I am a bit busy on swords but this will help in the research for when I can do them Big Grin
Again many thanks;
Regards Tony Big Grin

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Danny Grigg





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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Tony

I believe these are all Sarmatian ring daggers:

http://www.museummilitary.com/?p=10&s=20

http://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/museums/shm/shmeeur.html

http://www.museum.ru/M1091item

http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion/hhm51...at51_p.txt

Please note I don't speak Russian, so I am unable to help with any further information.

I also believe the following is Russian for "Sarmatian Swords": сарматские мечи

If you do a search with that term it brings up several interesting items.

I hope this helps.

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Tony Drake




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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul, 2008 10:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Danny many thanks, again Big Grin I dont speak Russian either. Excellent pics though so thanks, Most seam to be short sword versions with a few daggers as well. I can add the sword pics and info to my research on them so all round brillant Big Grin
I will post a few pics of the daggers when I can get round to them.
Also if anyone has information on the swords I would be interested in that also Big Grin
Regards Tony Big Grin

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Jim S.





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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul, 2008 11:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hey Tony. Thanks again for this thread. Because of your inquiry, I have discovered a culture and People that, for some reason, I have never run across. I has been a very interesting experience learning of this ancient civilization.

I have a question concerning the Sarmatian swords and daggers. Do they have anything in common with the Irish ring-hilt? Does the end of the tang on the Sarmatian weapons pass completely through the ring as is the case with the Irish-hilt? As the Sarmatians have been described as having blond hair by ancient Greek writers and they also spoke an Indo-European language, I have wondered if there is a possible cultural connection between the Peoples.

Jim
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